media bias front and center
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Please look up Filibuster.... it's the process where a senate committee member can basically kill a bill by talking it to death. In order to break a filibuster you need 60 votes. Since the democrats do nothing but obstruct, this is not a viable option. Of course, the president has the "Nuclear" option which allows him to sign it into bill with a majority vote - but this is something considered as taboo by both democrats and republicans because of their idiocy.
I don't mean to be a jerk (at least too much) but your point above just proves my point about liberal obstructionists. They do nothing but block Trump initiatives and bad mouth anything he proposes. It's quite pathetic and is why I hate liberals.
Did you feel the same way for the four years that the Republicans obstructed Obama's presidency?
It's happening in our OWN COUNTRY EVERY day. When a parent gets arrested for breaking a law the child gets separated from the parents. Why should it be different for someone who isn't even a citizen? And at least we can prove the children are at least really related to the parents in most cases.... I've heard many stories about kids and adults saying they are related and can't even answer simple questions about each other. Build the wall - and make them enter the country LEGALLY and we would all be better off. I'm all for LEGAL immigration.
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It wasn't even CLOSE to the level being seen today... you can't get a single vote from the democrats/socialists. I think many people who have worked hard in this country are tired of seeing it turned into a socialist country. This is a capitalist country first and forever.
Plus, everyone wants to fix immigration - only the democrats refuse to even discuss ways to fix it. They would rather have MSNBC and CNN show pictures of children at the border to win votes. I found it sadly hilarious that the liberals showed a picture of children locked up in a fenced in jail only to find out it was taken under the Obama administration.
If you don't like the laws - CHANGE it. Trump is only asking to enforce the bills.
I mean, they might be. I haven't toured these facilities so I can't really say what they are like, but if they're anything like jails I don't think that's unreasonable at all. Plus the kids are being allowed to stay, since it's not their fault their parents chose to break the law. I assume they could go back to their home country if they wanted.
If we're forcing kids to stay in our country against their will, then I don't support that, but I don't think that's what's happening.
I don't know - why don't you go look it up since you are so curious. I know it was nothing like it is today though. He can't even get all of his appointments approved through the senate.... longer than any president in history.
My wife is German and we went back to see her family a few months ago and she was literally crying as she looked at the shadow of the city she grew up in because of what Angela Merkel has done to Germany with their immigration policies. It was really shocking to hear stories straight from the family and friends about how the city has been destroyed and how crime has multiplied to new levels. I don't want to see this happen to our country - it's NOT THEIR COUNTRY.
Immigration is fine, but do it the right way.
I support building the wall and fixing the legal immigration system. Families should be able to come here to better their lives, but we have to know who's coming in and keep the criminals out. Is this a reasonable position to the left?
Not necessarily that, but immediate deportation as opposed to separating families? I'm on board with.
There really are no good options here but that's the least bad one. The next is separation. Allowing false claims of asylum or effectively open borders is a non-starter for me.
So, why would you endanger your kids and or family to come into this country illegally with a bunch of smugglers who don't give a damn about you?
liberal obstuctionists? Ted Cruz read Green Eggs and Ham on the Seante floor, but it's just the dems who obstruct.
Bottom line, Trump's trading kids' welfare for a wall, that was supposed to be paid for already. An abomination for this Country.
What was Obama’s trading kids welfare for when he was putting them in cages and separating them from their parents? It was happening but there wasn’t a concerted effort by the Democrats and media to show feigned outrage for a political purpose. This problem needs to be fixed in the country these people are fleeing from and it starts with us building a wall to control our borders. We aren’t asking these kids to invade our country their parents are. We are being forced to build a wall or deal with them once they are here.
The Obama detentions were for unaccompanied kids that crossed the border. That’s a verified and documented fact. Quite a difference from breaking up families as leverage for a useless fücking wall. Besides that, “whataboutism” is stupid reasoning. Nothing that happened in the past justifies or excuses what is happenening now.
The point is that it’s been happening and just now it’s a horror that Trump is completely responsible for. The outrage is fake. This started when these kids started showing up unaccompanied or otherwise. They caused the problem and only now media is outraged? Please
Ted Cruz had a legit reason to filibuster over the ridiculous spending increases in the continuing resolution at the time.
The only other real filibuster during the Obama Administration that I can recall was Rand Paul protesting the Patriot Act- specifically drone strikes on US citizens who hadn't been convicted of a crime and the warrantless surveillance of American citizens.
It was disingenuously termed a "filibuster" but merely refusing to vote for cloture in the Senate is not a filibuster. IIRC, 60 votes are required in the Senate to invoke cloture and end debate on a matter which can then be passed on a simple majority. Since the Reps didn't have a majority to stop Obama's harmful policies they had to refuse to invoke cloture. Of course, when Obama did have 60 votes in the Senate he chose to ram through ObamaCare which was ultimately the largest tax increase in history and is a massive piece of shit and he chose to ram through the Stimulus Bill which was nothing more than a payoff to his donors and did nothing to improve the economy but rather was instrumental in the weakest recovery in history.
Negative- they were separated at the border as well. Not just unaccompanied minors.
And if you weren't ranting about Obama doing it a few years ago then you have no moral standing to do so now simply because you don't like Trump.
While not a good thing to separate families, ultimately these families made a choice and that choice has consequences.
Kind of hard to believe that this obstruction is worse since you are unable to provide anything to back that up.
Conservatives do.
Don’t confuse some of these wingers on here with Conservatives.
One is not like the other.
The always effective "you're a nazi" counter argument. Love it. Now we just need someone (LSA) to say we are only doing this because we hate brown people.
Glad to see another productive AY thread where everyone finds common ground and hyperbole isn't used in abundance to make a point.
Common practice at the time. Things change. I try to keep my spiritual life in order but thanks anyway.
I've already posted two sources on this thread which show Snopes is incorrect. See this post: https://tamu.forums.rivals.com/threads/media-bias-front-and-center.88286/page-3#post-1790944
And neither are remotely conservative sites. One is the UK paper, the Guardian. And the other is actually a moderately left-leaning think tank.
What the media is missing is that a majority of these kids are not showing up with their parent but some handler that works for coyote organization.
just close the borders..period..Ill mow my own yard.
oh, yeah..then who would vote Democratic? Now I understand.
oh, yeah..then who would vote Democratic? Now I understand.
Regardless, you're just using "whataboutism" and it has no real bearing on what is happening. What Trump is doing is punitive and far beyond anything done by a previous administration.
I fully support deporting illegals that are caught at the border. However, if they have children with them, they should be kept together through the process. Asylum seekers deserve to be treated w/ dignity and respect and are a completely separate matter.
This country used to be the standard bearer that stood above other countries in how we dealt w/ those that have been wronged at home and are seeking refuge. We've lost that moral high ground in a matter of weeks.
the article relates to deportation of an established family member. That's still occuring and is separate from immediate family separations.
If you are interested in cruel and unusual punishment maybe you should direct your comments to the parents and family who endangered their children by knowingly entering a foreign country illegally. They are safer where they are now than when they were traveling with smugglers across the border.
You really don't have a single clue what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know that your statement above is quite literally, the opposite of the truth.
