media bias front and center
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People keep saying this, but the fact is that this is not stereotypical illegal immigration. It is people seeking asylum. Removing these young children from their parents is not humane treatment.
Not at all. And I don't agree with separating parents from young children. But it seems like a lot of this could be avoided if the process started in countries of origin as opposed to coming across the border with certain expectations.
Feel free to answer my other questions if you like. Thanks.
Then change the law! You know, first you ought to ask how many (none) are being detained from lawful entry. Then of those being detained how many actually entered WITH their parents OR have documented relatives that are LEGALLY here.
Then let’s talk!
That is not my argument, my argument is selective outrage is silly. Take the emotion out of it and lets reason together; what is the solution to this problem?
It has nothing to do with party loyalty. I agreed with Bill Clinton and barbara jordan when they said we need to secure the border.
Do criminals usually get to take their children to prison with them? Why are criminal illegal aliens any different? Regardless of moral outrage, the fix to all of this is border security and immigration reform. yes or no?
They can't change the law because none of the Republicans in the Senate are interested in changing the law. We've already been over how asylum is different from illegal immigration, keep up.
They go to the next of kin and we do what we can to keep their lives as stable as possible. Why do some of you keep posting that they go to foster care, as if it's fact?
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If you want to see how open borders affects a state look at Germany. Merkel May soon be out of a job. I’m not in favor of that wall but all the Dems have to do to get Trump doing something even his own party doesn’t like is fund that wall. It’s called compromise. And if you break the law you go to jail, not you and your kids, you. What laws would you rather we not enforce. Obama, Bush and Clinton each had 8 years to fix immigration and they punted.
I can't answer as to why they don't attempt to get asylum in Mexico. Maybe they just assume the US would be a better country to live in.
I'm not sure these people are generally well educated enough to know all of the various outlets at their disposal, so they probably just assume that they can work those things out when they get to a safer country. I would also assume that the ability for them to use the US embassy in their country would be somewhat limited if they actually need asylum.
Yeah, in fact that’s exactly what I took from it! There’s a law and there’s a process. Follow both, i’m good. Break either, then you got problems. That is not a sick position.
Blah! Blah! Blah! Do you think I care ? Just allocating funds for 2006 Border Wall Act.
And, no one is being separated for proper filing for asylum at a port of entry!
That goes both ways. You apparently are a Democrat (although I don't know) and believe that there are "moderate" Democrats. I don't believe moderation exists in either political party at this juncture. Republicans would say the same about the Democrats leadership. There is no negotiating any issue that is "politicized."
I think all of us agree that separating parents and kids is a bad idea (although the moral outrage shown by some is overblown since kids are separated from their parents for all kinds of reasons--see CPS cases). However, I am also a believer in personal responsibility. These Parents deserve blame in this scenario (which some are unwilling to either admit or come to grips with). If this is a problem, then we need to change the law. Selective enforcement of laws is NEVER a good idea.
Both parties have been in complete control of the country when these laws were on the books. Both are responsible. Just because this flared up now does not make one party (or class of people) demons and subject to personal attacks. The Democrats felt that using their capital to enact Obamacare was more important than changing immigration laws (which EVERYONE knew was an issue even then). Republicans have made similar decisions. The moral outrage and finger pointing is ludicrous, and to me is nothing more than political grandstanding.
No one wants to listen when you call someone an immoral pig and only want to blame them instead of working with them.
My question here is what is the purpose of separating the children from the parents. Not just the argument of "it's the law" because SS soldiers were just following the law when escorting children to gas chambers.
If anyone here thinks that any US state or federal government can take care of children or do what is in their best interest I would say. go be a foster parent. You'll get an entirely new perspective on how well we handle children. I am a foster parent and speak from experience.
Finally, let's all take a hard look in the mirror about how this is one of a myriad of issues that overlaps and our cognitive dissonance in how we interpret rights of children in various situations.
People getting killed somewhere has what to exactly with following the constitutional prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment?
It makes less sense because the people who died were illegal immigrants running away from CBP
There was no law on the books which either authorized or allowed extermination of children by the NAZI's. This was illegal orders by the SS and acceptance by the public that allowed this to go on.
So ... are you claiming the head of DHS has been misquoted or is not telling the truth? Or is your specific media bias directed at Fox News?
Considering the fact that this administration has been saying up to 5 different things regarding this policy, I think he's saying she's not telling the full truth. Fox News is garbage for news, though.
And all of them entered illegally. So, not that it’s a good thing but maybe the legal process just might save lives lost as a result of human trafficking.
1. She’s completely full of shit. President, John Kelly, Jeff Sessions and Stephen fücking Miller are all on record to the contrary.
2. FoxNews is a full on right wing propaganda network. That game is over. They have as much credibility as Breitbart.
Well, you thinking it is not exactly proof. I’ll wait for a real example if you don’t mind.
Where? In the detention facilities? Have you ever thought maybe it's not a safe place for them and that's why they are being separated? FWIW, 90% of these kids are released to a family member inside the US. We are prosecuting adults, not children. If there's a better way, I'm all for it. Just not sure what it is.
