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Have any of the critics here stated what we should do with all these adults and kids?
 
the article relates to deportation of an established family member. That's still occuring and is separate from immediate family separations.

They refer to both.

This is a lefty immigrant right's group called "No More Deaths" and they have fact sheets and documentation of the Obama Administration separating families at the border and deportation of illegals already here which breaks up families. http://forms.nomoredeaths.org/abuse-documentation/fact-sheets/

Even CNN, when they're being honest, admits this is carryover from prior administrations and a Clinton-era court case: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/donald-trump-immigration-policies-q-and-a/index.html

I'm not saying this isn't a shitty situation all around but the ultimate responsibility falls on those trying to come here illegally.
 
You really don't have a single clue what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know that your statement above is quite literally, the opposite of the truth.
Please explain. The kid’s facility looks like a Dave and Busters. Pretty damn nice including air conditioned. They are safe. They get fed, bathed and even have classrooms. If their home life was better than this, they have no legitimate claim of asylum. Their “parents” have the option of picking them up and taking them home.
 
Keep them together as a family unit, when possible
Sounds like a politician when they don’t have a real answer. Law forbids them to be detained with in an adult facility more than 20 days. The surge of these people has backlogged the dockets so that time expires before their date.
What’s sad is these adults eventually plead guilty of misrepresenting their case and have to return anyway. They are getting bad advice from their advocates who are telling them they will likely be released into the country until their hearing and they are home free.
 
Numerous times but you’re too eager to get your bigoted views out to the masses.
Sorry I jumped in late. Tom tried but I hope there were more than that. Looks like you are stumped on the question as well since you did not offer a solution and went straight to the racist card.
 
Whatever could be done? We've had this problem for well over a month now so there's clearly no way of fixing it.
 
I don't mean to be a jerk (at least too much) but your point above just proves my point about liberal obstructionists. They do nothing but block Trump initiatives and bad mouth anything he proposes. It's quite pathetic and is why I hate liberals.

About as the same as the last 8 years with Obama and Republicans.

Shoe’s just on the other foot, that’s all.
 
Whatever could be done? We've had this problem for well over a month now so there's clearly no way of fixing it.
Yes. Send a message that we’re no longer going to catch and release. We’re going to enforce the laws until better laws are passed. When these people start returning home, they will get the message.
 
Yes. Send a message that we’re no longer going to catch and release. We’re going to enforce the laws until better laws are passed. When these people start returning home, they will get the message.
we probably need to shoot/behead a few and hang their corpses on the fence so they'll know what's coming if they cross.
 
If you are interested in cruel and unusual punishment maybe you should direct your comments to the parents and family who endangered their children by knowingly entering a foreign country illegally. They are safer where they are now than when they were traveling with smugglers across the border.
Let’s see:
One is individuals taking a risk to try to have a better life for themselves and their families.

The other is a government agency being unnecessarily cruel to said individuals.

You’re bad at analogies and at distinguishing when laws should be applied.

You’re also bad at basic human decency.
 
The illegals are the ones separating themselves from their children. They should not be here illegally, period.

The liberals only care because illegals vote for socialists because the socialists steal from working people and give it to illegals inticing them to break the law and inter the country illegally.

The law breaking illegals and the socialists are the ones separating families not people enforcing the laws.

If illegals voted for for conservatives and individual freedoms there would be a 40 foot Wall already in place.
 
Let’s see:
One is individuals taking a risk to try to have a better life for themselves and their families.

The other is a government agency being unnecessarily cruel to said individuals.

You’re bad at analogies and at distinguishing when laws should be applied.

You’re also bad at basic human decency.


Your comments are just ridiculous, they are breaking the law! If you go to prison you are separated from your family.
 
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Your comments are just ridiculous, they are breaking the law! If you go to prison you are separated from your family.
Seeking asylum is not illegal. Don’t let the most basic of facts get in the way of your fervor though.
 
Seeking asylum is not illegal. Don’t let the most basic of facts get in the way of your fervor though.

It is when they attempt to cross illegally and then claim to be seeking asylum. There's a specific process and it doesn't require crossing illegally. Furthermore, simply living in a shithole country doesn't warrant asylum.

Asylum has three basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that they are subject persecution in their home country. Then they must prove that they would be persecuted on account of protected grounds including race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or particular social group. Finally, they must establish that the government is either involved in the persecution, or unable to control the conduct of private actors. It's a pretty specific legal standard.
 
Say you are in a life boat made for 10. There are 20 in there. Water is lapping over the edges. The Titanic just dipped under water. What do you do?
 
Kind of hard to believe that this obstruction is worse since you are unable to provide anything to back that up.
I just gave you proof based on senate confirmations of Trump appointees - longest in history and still not complete. You want to disprove, give me your own evidence.
 
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Keep them together, round them up, and then send them home. Simple solution. Win/Win for everyone. Nobody gets separated or left behind and they all go at once for breaking the law.
 
You really don't have a single clue what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know that your statement above is quite literally, the opposite of the truth.
Opinions and the truth are normally quite different.
 
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This country used to be the standard bearer that stood above other countries in how we dealt w/ those that have been wronged at home and are seeking refuge. We've lost that moral high ground in a matter of weeks.
In case you haven't noticed the change has taken place over the past couple of decades. We have had foreign immigrants infiltrating our country performing horrific acts like using airplanes to kill thousands or driving trucks into crowds, using tools like knifes, machetes, axes or any other means they can find to kill Americans. We have airports and other public areas forced to take drastic security measures. Terrorists have caused mass hysteria and paranoia across all races, religions or other demographic. I can go on and on, but this is a new world where new immigration and security laws have to be enforced, overhauled or be created. It's ridiculous that we have people questioning securing our borders, using eVerify for workers or even using voting IDs. We require a drivers licenses after all.

I would much rather be proactive on security versus turning into another European country where their traditional values and culture has been over run by immigrants diluting what used to be proud countries with their own identities.

I welcome all immigrants into the US. Our country is based on immigrants - LEGAL immigration. Lets look at the latest facts:
  • Over the past 3 months there has been 50,000 illegal immigrants caught crossing the Southern border (multiples higher than last year)
  • 325% increase in unaccompanied alien children since last year
  • 435% increase in family units entering the country illegally since last year
  • Over past 10 years a 1700 percent increase in asylum claims
  • Backlog of 600,000 asylum cases needed to be adjudicated
  • Since 2013 US has admitted more than 500K illegal aliens from central America who can no longer be accounted for
  • 10,000 of the 12,000 children being held were SENT here by there parents with smugglers. There are no parents they are taking them from.
Something has to be done or this country will be blowing Billions.
 
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DHS Secretary giving a live presentation at today’s news briefing. Policy is very clear and in line with law and court interpretation. Thank you very much, I was right.

So, Dems can help solve the problem or they can do their stupid resist crap! Either of the pending Bills address the problem. My preference is the Goodlathe Bill which has E-Verify provisions .

The open border a-holes don’t want a solution. They haven’t ever wanted this fixed. They didn’t do crap when they had all the power in 2009. It’s a problem. Fix it!
 
Keep them together as a family unit, when possible
And then what? Pay to have them flown back to a South American country, or do we just throw them back over the fence into Mexico where they can then try again?
 
The hypocrisy among most liberals knows no bounds. All up in arms over the separation of illegal immigrants and their families (kids)? Since when did liberals as a whole give two cents about "kids"...??? We are talking about the same group of people who are perfectly fine with abortion and the killing of thousands of unborn (yet alive) babies each year. Hypocrisy at it's finest!

Also, it was a democrat (Clinton) that passed a law in 1996 that separated children from their parents that were entering this country illegally. FACT. Where was the outrage then? Obama continued enforcing this law during his 8 years in office. Where was the outrage then? Now that Trump is enforcing it...."oooooh noooo...he's a p.o.s." ...fact is, none of you libs give two cents about these kids. It's ALL political with you! Again, hypocrisy at it's FINEST!
 
Things are multiple layers more complex than reported... by either side. Why? Most don't want to hear details. Simpler to create a metaphor "Nazi's" or "illegal aliens are murderers and rapists". Great headlines.

The issue is resources and how to manage a sovereign nation. We have more resources than we need. Some have less than they can survive on. Populations migrate to resources, despite borders.

As a sovereign nation, we have the right to decide who and how many come across our borders. The people of this nation want to take care of the (“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.).

But we are a nation of entitlements. If we have free access to our resources, then we will be over run and all will suffer.

Yet, we can't come up with a comprehensive plan because both sides use it as political capital to help swing the population to their party. The name calling itself is enough to assure no progress. Sean and Rachel make more money when their party is out of power, fueling the masses with lies, name calling, exaggeration and finger pointing.

We could fix this. But that is not immediately satisfying to the media and politicians.

Very hard to make memes when complicated issues are in play... so we uncomplicated them so they're easier to manipulate the sheep with... All about the feels man... all about the feels....
 
The fact you weren't up in arms over it before makes your moral outrage hollow.

It's a terrible thing to do but perhaps if such a terrible choice weren't forced upon us as a nation the policy wouldn't exist.

Pretty much this. The borders aren't a new issue, it was a crisis a decade plus ago and those of you bitching now sat silent. Now all of a sudden it's people seeking asylum from war torn countries as if Mexico wasn't the same during the last administration or the administration before that and before that.

Yet you were silent then, but want to cry now? Maybe if you had some nuts during the Clinton/Bush/Obama years you'd have a solution. Call your Congressman and women and voice your opinions, but please spare this board with your faux outrage and virtue signaling, you abandoned that moral high ground long ago.
 
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"There is no one process. Judging from the mothers and fathers I’ve spoken to and those my staff has spoken to, there are several different processes. Sometimes they will tell the parent, “We’re taking your child away.” And when the parent asks, “When will we get them back?” they say, “We can’t tell you that.” Sometimes the officers will say, “because you’re going to be prosecuted” or “because you’re not welcome in this country” or “because we’re separating them,” without giving them a clear justification. In other cases, we see no communication that the parent knows that their child is to be taken away. Instead, the officers say, “I’m going to take your child to get bathed.” That’s one we see again and again. “Your child needs to come with me for a bath.” The child goes off, and in a half an hour, twenty minutes, the parent inquires, “Where is my five-year-old?” “Where’s my seven-year-old?” “This is a long bath.” And they say, “You won’t be seeing your child again.” Sometimes mothers—I was talking to one mother, and she said, “Don’t take my child away,” and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, “Can I at least have five minutes to console her?” They said no.

In another case, the father said, “Can I comfort my child? Can I hold him for a few minutes?” The officer said, “You must let them go, and if you don’t let them go, I will write you up for an altercation, which will mean that you are the one that had the additional charges charged against you.” So, threats. So the father just let the child go. So it’s a lot of variations. But sometimes deceit and sometimes direct, just “I’m taking your child away.”

Parents are not getting any information on what their rights are to communicate to get their child before they are deported, what reunification may look like. We spoke to nine parents on this Monday, which was the 11th, and these were adults in detention centers outside of Houston. They had been separated from their child between May 23 and May 25, and as of June 11, not one of them had been able to talk to their child or knew a phone number that functioned from the detention center director. None of them had direct information from immigration on where their child was located. The one number they were given by some government official from the Department of Homeland Security was a 1-800 number. But from the phones inside the detention center, they can’t make those calls.

We know there are more parents who are being deported without their child, without any process or information on how to get their child back."

If even a fraction of this is true and I don’t doubt all of it is, I don’t know how it can be applauded.

Hiding behind a law to abuse families and children is disgraceful.
 
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If even a fraction of this is true and don’t doubt all of it is, I don’t know how it can be applauded.

Hiding behind a law to abuse families and children is disgraceful.

Yeah OK. Got it. What’s YOUR solution. Not a kick the can one either. A solution?
 
Yeah OK. Got it. What’s YOUR solution. Not a kick the can one either. A solution?

There is no solution.
Hoover couldn’t do it, Operation Wetback couldn’t do it, and (sorry trumpkins) Donald Trump isn’t going to do anything meaningful, either.

Our borders are too vast to keep people from entering illegally.
 
Whatever could be done? We've had this problem for well over a month now so there's clearly no way of fixing it.
For well over a month? You mean since 1996. Yes that would be well over a month.
 
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