Here is a link to the election court cases with complaints, court orders, documents, etc.
https://www.democracydocket.com/case_type/post-election/
https://www.democracydocket.com/case_type/post-election/
Storming the capitol
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But you remember Trump demanding a mob go and break into the Capitol building, vandalize, and loot.
Why would you want to describe arsonists, vandals and looters that physically assault anyone not agreeing with them as peaceful protestors?
I just remember President Trump saying the election was stolen and he was going to March down Pennsylvania Avenue with the crowd (which he didn’t do). I remember Rudy telling the crowd it was time to fight. I remember Don junior saying it was time to be a hero and not a zero and that they’d be in the backyard of those that didn’t stand-up. But, none of that could be considered inciting the crowd to violence, could it? You might want to listen to objective Republicans if you’re having trouble interpreting events on January 6. I’ve been encouraged by the unanimity among Rs, other than the deranged few like Gohmert.
More like CYA for the future by the GOP, far from objective. And I only listed to the end of the Trump speech and he didn't say march, he said walk. sounds like nothing but it's tone. If it was militaristic march would be the word to use.
Then please show them other than flagpoles. I just went through pages in Google images and found nothing but this article. And if you are talk 6 among 10s of thousands of people then you are still far off the definition of a insurrection.
52 arrested, 6 weapons recovered at U.S. Capitol riot
The Washington, D.C., police chief says at least six weapons have been recovered, dozens of people have been arrested and 14 police officers have been hurt so far in Wednesday’s pro-Trump rio…
ktla.com
See, this is why we cannot have a civil discussion.
You have to infer that I have trouble interpreting events, questioning my intelligence.
"Objective Republicans" are running for office and covering their tracks. They are politicians.
Sure we can have a civil discussion. I think you questioned my memory of Trump’s comments as your starting point. I was simply stating why I reached the conclusion that Trump and his assembled speakers were inciting the crowd to march on the Capital. Other objective, non Democratic sources in congress, retired military, and observers who are not left wing radicals have reached a similar conclusion. I wasn’t questioning your intelligence, which I respect, I was only questioning your objectivity in evaluating what the President said and the consequences of his, and others, speeches to the crowd that morning. Sorry if that upset you. Happy to have a civil discussion anytime.
I believe I am quite objective. I believe Trump was the worst example of a human that could be in the Presidential office. But I also believe he had better intentions of truly helping the nation than any Democrat that has run for that office in the past 4-5 decades. Trump is a social moron.
I believe the media is one sided and sponsored by the left. I believed that long before Trump came on the scene politically.
In the past two months I have heard Hallie Jackson, Savannah Guthrie, Chuck Todd and Kristen Welker include in every report or discussion they have made about Trump, "His lies", "his unfounded allegations", "his uninformed followers", "his misrepresentations of election improprieties".
Every. Damn. Report.
If I took a drink of beer every time they made an statement asserting the President was telling a lie or his supported were uninformed, I would be sloshed all day.
"Unfounded allegations" has become the buzz phrase of the media and of the left. That is not the news media's call. But now they are the authority and essentially work for the state.
I don't expect to have the opportunity to vote for another Presidential winner in my life time.
But you can bet your sweet ass that after I'm dead I'll be voting for the Presidential winner for the next 200 years.
Looking at it objectively, of course.
SCOTUS does not choose to take up every issue between states, even if they have original jurisdiction. Specifically, regarding US election disputes between states, Delaware vs New York (1966) had Delaware arguing that the "winner take all" allocation of electoral votes by larger states injured smaller states preventing them from casting meaningful electoral votes. That request to file was dismissed by SCOTUS. Before you say they should have because of original jurisdiction, I'll point out that this occurred under the Warren Court, the most liberal we've had, and Delaware essentially called for "one person, one vote". Let that one marinate.
Texas basically argued that PA changing election law somehow infringed on their electoral votes mattering at all. Further, it doesn't specifically disenfranchise Texas voters but rather the sovereignty of Texas to appoint its own electors to cast electoral votes in a meaningful way.
Not to dismiss the lack of standing rule, but even if the case is heard and argued on those grounds that's absolutely absurd. For centuries, states have been allowed to allocate electors however they wish and Texas has *zero* interest in how any other state allocates those electors. Whether those changes were made in/out of accordance with state law, SC ruling, etc.- whatever resulting injury is only upon the state in which it occurred and not another.
It's also telling that in Thomas and Alito's dissent: "In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction"-- they refrain from dissenting against the majority's logic of why the filing request was dismissed.
This argument illustrates how the divide in this country has grown larger than the Grand Canyon and will continue as we "welcome" the new administration. We will have a socialist chairing the senate finance committee( Bernie), have a representative (Swalwell) with a Chinese spy for a girlfriend on the house intelligence committee and a president whose son is bought and paid for by the Chinese. These same people called for impeachment of the 45th president the day he was elected and screamed Russia collusion with absolutely no proof. I feel like I live in the Twilight Zone.
I believe we are a nation that has lost its mind wanting to become more like other socialist countries, promoting wealth redistribution, making people who have never owned slaves pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves, welcoming people with TB and polio but you better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated. If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free. More and more children of all races are born without fathers, Christian values are passé and we wonder why nothing makes sense anymore. Where is civility among our brothers and sisters...oh forgive me we have to be gender neutral. If I disagree I am racist but now if I am white I am racist.
No matter, most of you democrats will not be affected but for us deplorables it could get a little sporty. On the bright side we will save a fortune in clothes once the administration issues uniform clothing----pretty sure it'll be Mao jackets.
We will probably be relocated to re-education camps (already being promoted). The wife is worried we will be separated but I've tried to reassure her that we should go to the same camp since Biden believes in keeping families together, you know--like the illegals, at what used to be our boarder.
I'm going out in our woods tomorrow to look for inconspicuous places to hide all my guns, photos of me in uniform, dirty magazines and a hard copy of the constitution.
Good luck to you all and I'll try to sneak out wireless messages when I can.
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I believe we are a nation that has lost its mind wanting to become more like other socialist countries, promoting wealth redistribution, making people who have never owned slaves pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves, welcoming people with TB and polio but you better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated. If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free. More and more children of all races are born without fathers, Christian values are passé and we wonder why nothing makes sense anymore. Where is civility among our brothers and sisters...oh forgive me we have to be gender neutral. If I disagree I am racist but now if I am white I am racist.
No matter, most of you democrats will not be affected but for us deplorables it could get a little sporty. On the bright side we will save a fortune in clothes once the administration issues uniform clothing----pretty sure it'll be Mao jackets.
We will probably be relocated to re-education camps (already being promoted). The wife is worried we will be separated but I've tried to reassure her that we should go to the same camp since Biden believes in keeping families together, you know--like the illegals, at what used to be our boarder.
I'm going out in our woods tomorrow to look for inconspicuous places to hide all my guns, photos of me in uniform, dirty magazines and a hard copy of the constitution.
Good luck to you all and I'll try to sneak out wireless messages when I can.
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Good write up, but I still disagree that Texas lacked standing. If you have a set of laws like the Constitution and all states are told to agree on them and you have states not following them to the T then you are open for challenges.
The Constitution simply states that "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations" (Article I, section 4). ...
Doesn't say state SC, doesn't say Governor and yet you had states having process outside of their already approved election laws, those passed by state legislatures, changed or bypassed but those without that power. I could give you the reasons but you wouldn't listen to them or call me a conspiracy thorist so we will just stay with the strict law and what happened. This is why it should have been heard at the least. To allow this to happen certainly devalues votes in states that actually followed the law. Why is my vote as a PA citizen canceled out by a mail in ballot that evaded signature check in PA because the state SC waived it. It dilutes the true vote count which in turn affect the national vote through the EC thus affects all states. Its why you had such minuscule rejection rates in an election that should have seen greater due to the methods being used.
And Just because he didn't go into the meat of the suit in the dissent doesn't tell you his thoughts. You are trying to read a lot in something he may have just left simply stated. He did act in PA to segregate voted received after 8 and the state ignored his first order for this.
I understand your point. However, there are current officers from around the country on trial for shooting a man who was running from a cop but turned and pointed a taser at the officer, one who shot a man who was going for a knife in his car and several others I am sure. I would just like to see this case also prosecuted in the courts for the woman dying for climbing over a barricade or trespassing as you put it. Really doesn't seem like a justification for deadly force to me.
For my opinion, I’m giving a lot of emphasis on where she was trespassing and who the police officer was in charge of keeping secure.
I do understand. But still, deadly force in that situation? As Joe Biden would say, "C'mon man!"
Tackle the unarmed woman and arrest her. Seems more sane to me.
Which brings me to another issue. When was the office of president elect established? The guy looks like a total fool standing in front of that backdrop. I guess anything to prop him up and make him look legitimate.
The points youre making are still irrelevant to Texas' suit- whatever any other state does they still have the full power and capacity to cast their electoral votes regardless of what another state does and in and of themselves are no more or less meaningful. That's as far as "meaningfulness" goes and it should end there.
This is not to say PA is immune from judicial review (they very much are), but not in regards to the suit Texas brought forth and the extrapolations. Texas and other states appealed to creating a foundation of their case being viewed through the lens of how those EC votes look in a final tally. I can't even go much further entertaining how SCOTUS would even rule in favor of Texas, because it truly is that ludicrous. We'll politely ignore the hypocrisy that Texas itself made unilateral changes to extend early voting by a week by the order of the governor and not the state legislature and is by the letter which they penned, hypocritical
As far as looking into the statement by Scalia and Thomas, if this case was so important and such a slight on our Constitution and the country, they would have said it- Thomas most certainly.
What’s the equivalent of storming the Capitol building with a mob while it’s full of America’s highest level politicians? Storming the White House? I would say both are equally alarming and anyone doing it is risking their safety. (Stupid games / stupid prizes insert)
I do not think the officer that shot knew she was unarmed and may not even know she was a she. He may have only seen a group of people and one person push up and try to enter his area. He may have decided ahead of time he wasn’t going to allow anyone to enter his area. Again, he and at least one other officer in his area had guns drawn warning the group of people on the other side of the door. Is it within his right to defend the Capitol using deadly force? I guess we will find out.
I wish no one died but people did. And, in hindsight, I think we are lucky that we did not see more injuries/casualties as law enforcement (some of them anyway) defended the Capitol building and the people authorized to be in it.
I am with you.....I hope we find out. Still, shooting an unarmed woman who was not threatening the officer and her worst offense is trespassing is a bad thing. Its kind of like kneeling on the back of a criminal who just tried to pass a counterfit bill and was high on illegal drugs. Was that justified homicide also?
She had a backpack on, broke through a barricade, was coming at officers holding guns who were protecting congresspeople. And there is a huge crowd who were likely to follow her if no actions were taken and they were going to enter the House Chambers.
It is bat shit crazy to say everything in your post. Just trespassing... Come on. It’s not like she jumped a fence at a ranch to fetch a baseball. She was storming the f’n House of Representatives while members where in the chambers. The V.P. Had just been evacuated.
How you can say this is akin to killing a handcuffed man you know is unarmed accused of passing a fake $10 bill is ludicrous.
Can’t wait for the next code pink idiot gets gunned down. Weren’t Congress people attacked during the Kavanaugh hearings? Guess those people should be gunned down too. This needs to start happening. I think we can agree. Equal treatment and all
Why is that a nut? No bunker. I’m actually agreeing with you. These institutions need to start defending themselves from these crazy people. Start shooting
I’m not calling for people to get gunned down as a general rule. But if you rush a cop holding a gun up, you have to expect to get shot. Anybody and anywhere. But especially in the Capitol by people guarding elected officials. I’m utterly bewildered at people here saying the officer shouldn’t have shot her.
Sorry if I misunderstood your post.
Sorry if I misunderstood your post.
You would not agree but I think these cops should have handled this shit months ago. You allowed a nation to watch their major cities get burned, business looted, women and children assaulted, cops hit with bricks, had lasers blinding them and innocent people get shot simply because they support a different political party. What the hell does everyone think was going to happen. If the right thing would have been done there would have never been any thoughts of dumb people storming the capital. Since the powers that he knew the riots were hurting trump and his supporters the media and most of the establishment didn’t care. Now it’s coming to their doorsteps and they’re not going to like it. One thing is for sure. This is and has always been much bigger than Trump and all these moves by liberals to let everyone know how much they hate conservatives it’s not going to end well. Especially with the coming shit economy with Biden and Bernies policies. There are dark days ahead and democrats are happy about them.
I agree with you until about half way through. I NEVER supported any looting, violence, arson or anything close to that. I posted that repeatedly. I think the vast majority of Democrats agree. Thinking otherwise is akin to saying all republicans supported this siege on the Capitol. It’s simply not true. Both were done by extremists who don’t represent the huge majority of either party. Though I’d guess a lot of the looting was done more by opportunist than by people actually believing in a cause.
Your constant posts about democrats wanting to destroy the country is weird. People can have different ideas on how to make our country the best it can be. That doesn’t mean one side wants to destroy this country.
Your constant posts about democrats wanting to destroy the country is weird. People can have different ideas on how to make our country the best it can be. That doesn’t mean one side wants to destroy this country.
Maybe. But voting in the party that has said it will pack the courts, grant amnesty to millions of people who broke our laws (showing they have no regard for the well being of the country), give statehood to two new “states” giving 4 New Democrat senators, opening the borders and raising corporate and personal income taxes how can you say they aren’t destructive to the country? That’s before we even get into the green new deal and a foreign policy that will give Iran a nuke and continue the lopsided trade deals.
Amnesty and open borders will turn Texas into California in the next decade. That’s destroying my world and many others. Still don’t understand why people constantly move from places like California to Texas and vote the same destruction but that’s a whole other discussion. This what voting for democrats symbolizes for me.
Amnesty and open borders will turn Texas into California in the next decade. That’s destroying my world and many others. Still don’t understand why people constantly move from places like California to Texas and vote the same destruction but that’s a whole other discussion. This what voting for democrats symbolizes for me.
Your post is a huge over exaggeration of everything. Take the very first issue - pack the courts. The plural of that is confusing. Are you saying he will nominate judges at all levels? Trump appointed 200 federal judges. Is that packing?
Or do you mean will increase the size of the SCOTUS? Biden never has never said he would do that. Not once. He said he would commission a bipartisan commission to examine it.
Hyperbole is not an effective advocacy tool.
Or do you mean will increase the size of the SCOTUS? Biden never has never said he would do that. Not once. He said he would commission a bipartisan commission to examine it.
Hyperbole is not an effective advocacy tool.
Why else would they pack the courts and purposely add 4 new senators unless they wanted to do something they couldn’t get done otherwise. They have been perfectly happy with a liberal Supreme Court for decades. Now that there appears to be more of a balance the democrat party wants to scrap the whole damn thing and remake it to their liking. Republicans will likely not win a National election for the next decade or more with the corruption in the voting systems in places like PA and Michigan and millions of illegal immigrants starting to vote. They don’t have the patience to wait and replace justices as normal as it will slow down their plan. They say it’s not going to make us a Venezuela type place but Venezuela thought the same thing.
And as evidence against your last statement I present one party rule in California and New York and I also present the Big tech censoring accounts today o fa lot of conservatives. Google and Apple even told Parlar they need to censor content. This is what happens in China.
Yes. Increasing the size of the court to remake it liberal. I hope you are right and I am wrong but don’t think so. Too many people want it on the left. Looks like we will know soon.
A commission and he never said he wouldn't do it. And with others in his party pushing for that how long do you think he would hold out?
And to define it for the millionth time. Packing is not filling open posiitons, packing is creating more spots purely for the purpose to dilute the oppositions numbers. Hence 9 SC justices to 13 and Biden appointing the new 4 for example. And the only reason Trump got 200 positions to fill is Obama left 100 open when he left. Maybe it was McConnell slow playing, could be but that is why.
He said “pack the courts” so I asked why court was plural. Reasonable question.
And yes, McConnell is why there was a 100 open positions. That was all complete BS. It was not doing your job and hurting another branches ability to do it’s bc of it.
I hope he doesn’t pack the SC. That game has no ending. I don’t think he will bc of that very reason but who knows.
And yes, McConnell is why there was a 100 open positions. That was all complete BS. It was not doing your job and hurting another branches ability to do it’s bc of it.
I hope he doesn’t pack the SC. That game has no ending. I don’t think he will bc of that very reason but who knows.
And that is even if he makes it the 4 years. There is a reason hunter Biden popped up again after the election. If Harris becomes president rest assured the SC will see spots added.
I don’t think they will wait. Why would they? If Biden tries to slow them down they will run his crooked ass out in a month. He’s likely the most corrupt president we have ever had and has been on the payroll of China since he first went there in the 70’s. And make no mistake. Hunter was operating at the behest of ole Joe. Hunter had actually been used here but none of that will matter now that old Joe is the president. That laptop will just be water under the bridge
