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That’s absurd. It’s like saying I’m liable for a burglar injuring himself while breaking into my home.
Weird to me how obtuse you’ve chosen to be on this issue. As someone who self identified as “never trump”, you are willing to die on any hill he erects. There’s a lot of dipshits on here that can’t think beyond not pissing their pants but you’re typically a well reasoned guy. Saddens me.
 
It’s what most ‘Christians’ do.
Find the convenient parts, use those.

Most? No it isn’t. I see more atheist and agnostics trying to guilt evangelical people with bible quotes. Personally, I think it’s a dumb thing to do because our population isn’t mostly Christian. Everyone who invokes that in this case should take in and support as many illegals in their house as they can like Jesus would’ve. Also take your fences down and remove the locks in your pretty nice houses.
 
Weird to me how obtuse you’ve chosen to be on this issue. As someone who self identified as “never trump”, you are willing to die on any hill he erects. There’s a lot of dipshits on here that can’t think beyond not pissing their pants but you’re typically a well reasoned guy. Saddens me.
Maybe it just shows how left you and others have gone... like liberal socialist left.
 
Most? No it isn’t. I see more atheist and agnostics trying to guilt evangelical people with bible quotes. Personally, I think it’s a dumb thing to do because our population isn’t mostly Christian. Everyone who invokes that in this case should take in and support as many illegals in their house as they can like Jesus would’ve. Also take your fences down and remove the locks in your pretty nice houses.

The only thing dumber than quoting scripture to a non-believer is doing it with a bullhorn outside of Kyle Field.
 
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Weird to me how obtuse you’ve chosen to be on this issue. As someone who self identified as “never trump”, you are willing to die on any hill he erects. There’s a lot of dipshits on here that can’t think beyond not pissing their pants but you’re typically a well reasoned guy. Saddens me.

Here's the problem with your position, I'm not defending Trump I'm defending the law. And I despise the fact that I have to appear as though I'm defending the man but when there are outright lies being perpetuated by the left it is what it is. As I've said previously, the fact you and others weren't all fired up about this exact same thing when it was going on under Obama means you have absolutely zero moral superiority here so spare me your indignation. I didn't bitch about this going on under Obama and I won't do so now.

Shithead opportunists like Jeff Flake and John McCain were on board with this same enforcement years ago under Obama that they now bitch about.

If you think a law is a poor law then the solution is to change it not ignore it.

This border "crisis" is not a fvcking crisis at all. This same exact shit has been going on for years and only now that Trump is in office is it a big deal. The hypocrisy of it all is what pisses me off.

And never mind the fact that the majority of these kids are unaccompanied by a family member at all but are being used by coyotes and put in a terrible situation by their parents long before they get to the border.
 
Here's the problem with your position, I'm not defending Trump I'm defending the law. And I despise the fact that I have to appear as though I'm defending the man but when there are outright lies being perpetuated by the left it is what it is. As I've said previously, the fact you and others weren't all fired up about this exact same thing when it was going on under Obama means you have absolutely zero moral superiority here so spare me your indignation. I didn't bitch about this going on under Obama and I won't do so now.

Shithead opportunists like Jeff Flake and John McCain were on board with this same enforcement years ago under Obama that they now bitch about.

If you think a law is a poor law then the solution is to change it not ignore it.

This border "crisis" is not a fvcking crisis at all. This same exact shit has been going on for years and only now that Trump is in office is it a big deal. The hypocrisy of it all is what pisses me off.

And never mind the fact that the majority of these kids are unaccompanied by a family member at all but are being used by coyotes and put in a terrible situation by their parents long before they get to the border.
Dude, that's simply not true. The law has been on the books, yes but no administration has enacted the policy until Trump did. No administration has forcibly removed children from their parents at the border until Trump and Co started doing so 6 weeks ago.

It's not selective outrage immigration has been a mess for decades. Trump through that piece of shit Stephen Miller have chosen to eschew past precedent and go down this path. Christ, even Ted Cruz has come out against the policy.

To say this is some sort of selective outrage 100% untrue.
 
Dude, that's simply not true. The law has been on the books, yes but no administration has enacted the policy until Trump did. No administration has forcibly removed children from their parents at the border until Trump and Co started doing so 6 weeks ago.

It's not selective outrage immigration has been a mess for decades. Trump through that piece of shit Stephen Miller have chosen to eschew past precedent and go down this path. Christ, even Ted Cruz has come out against the policy.

To say this is some sort of selective outrage 100% untrue.

Dude, I've posted multiple sources which show that 100% this was going on under Obama and even W before that. It's already been shown that the supposed pictures of kids being separated from their parents under Trump were pictures of kids separated at the border under the Obama Administration.

And the sources aren't even remotely conservative leaning sites. They're a couple left-leaning non-profits focusing on immigrants' rights and a UK paper.
 
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Dude, I've posted multiple sources which show that 100% this was going on under Obama and even W before that. It's already been shown that the supposed pictures of kids being separated from their parents under Trump were pictures of kids separated at the border under the Obama Administration.

And the sources aren't even remotely conservative leaning sites. They're a couple left-leaning non-profits focusing on immigrants' rights and a UK paper.
Trump's own people are out there acknowledging that they are the first to do this practice, I don't know what else you need to see to understand that. The stuff from Obama was for unaccompanied minors crossing the border, not young children coming w/ their families.

I mean, from a pure logistical standpoint, you think they just hid thousands of kids previously or some other bizarre conspiracy? There's 11k kids being stuck all over the state and there's nowhere to put them. If there was some precedent for their removal, there'd be facilities to accommodate such a policy.

Your stance here is crazy man. Just admit that it's a shitty practice and Trump's doing it to leverage for his wall. It's that simple; kids for wall.
 
Trump's own people are out there acknowledging that they are the first to do this practice, I don't know what else you need to see to understand that. The stuff from Obama was for unaccompanied minors crossing the border, not young children coming w/ their families.

I mean, from a pure logistical standpoint, you think they just hid thousands of kids previously or some other bizarre conspiracy? There's 11k kids being stuck all over the state and there's nowhere to put them. If there was some precedent for their removal, there'd be facilities to accommodate such a policy.

Your stance here is crazy man. Just admit that it's a shitty practice and Trump's doing it to leverage for his wall. It's that simple; kids for wall.

I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here too. The idea that this is something new is so preposterous it defies rational thought. And I won't even get into the fact that some 10,000 of the 12,000 kids in question were unaccompanied by a family member.

This doesn't specify whether or not the separations are occurring at the border or later on but it's really irrelevant: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...own-immigrant-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

ACLU report on separating kids, kids traveling alone, and abuses these kids were victims of under the Obama Administration: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

Daily Beast discussing Obama's separating of families: https://www.thedailybeast.com/thank-obama-for-trumps-child-detentions-immigrant-advocates-say
 
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I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here too. The idea that this is something new is so preposterous it defies rational thought. And I won't even get into the fact that some 10,000 of the 12,000 kids in question were unaccompanied by a family member.

This doesn't specify whether or not the separations are occurring at the border or later on but it's really irrelevant: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...own-immigrant-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

ACLU report on separating kids, kids traveling alone, and abuses these kids were victims of under the Obama Administration: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

Daily Beast discussing Obama's separating of families: https://www.thedailybeast.com/thank-obama-for-trumps-child-detentions-immigrant-advocates-say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amilies-at-the-border/?utm_term=.0cf52a6d742d

I can find these all day man. You're on the wrong side of this issue and again, I don't understand it. I've already stated on this thread that I agree w/ you that there needs to be a more structured program for how we handle illegal immigrants.

What I am stating unequivocally is that the policy of removing kids from their parents is reprehensible. And it needs to stop. Trump could stop the policy w/ a single statement but he will not because he is using children as leverage.

I guess you're just not going to budge on this and that's fine because neither am I. I respect you and have always liked your gastronomical opinions which makes your stance here all the more baffling.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amilies-at-the-border/?utm_term=.0cf52a6d742d

I can find these all day man. You're on the wrong side of this issue and again, I don't understand it. I've already stated on this thread that I agree w/ you that there needs to be a more structured program for how we handle illegal immigrants.

What I am stating unequivocally is that the policy of removing kids from their parents is reprehensible. And it needs to stop. Trump could stop the policy w/ a single statement but he will not because he is using children as leverage.

I guess you're just not going to budge on this and that's fine because neither am I. I respect you and have always liked your gastronomical opinions which makes your stance here all the more baffling.
The parents sending these kids are using them as leverage. It’s is forcing out government to take measures to protect our sovereignty. We did not ask for these people to come and there is a correct way to go about coming here. We allow more legal migrants in our country than every other nation on earth but these people are coming into our country illegally. Do you ever ask yourself why these kids all of a sudden showed up under obama? Were you this mad when the Obama administration gave a bunch of these kids to human traffickers? Build the wall and if nothing else send the message that the US is no longer open borders for anyone wanting to send their children over here to break the law. Our open borders are creating a crisis. No country on earth can survive without borders. Especially with a welfare state. What happens to kids here when the parents are taken to jail and no relatives are available? I’m assuming you think these kids should be placed in the prison system with their parents? That sounds safe
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amilies-at-the-border/?utm_term=.0cf52a6d742d

I can find these all day man. You're on the wrong side of this issue and again, I don't understand it. I've already stated on this thread that I agree w/ you that there needs to be a more structured program for how we handle illegal immigrants.

What I am stating unequivocally is that the policy of removing kids from their parents is reprehensible. And it needs to stop. Trump could stop the policy w/ a single statement but he will not because he is using children as leverage.

I guess you're just not going to budge on this and that's fine because neither am I. I respect you and have always liked your gastronomical opinions which makes your stance here all the more baffling.

So, I keep asking the question and don’t get any rational answer. Let me try again.

Let’s take the separation off the table for a second. What options are left?

1) do nothing just continue catch and release.
2) hold the entire family unit for 20 days, that’s the maximum allowed under court settlement. THEN release them under catch and release.

So either remaining option does squat to solve the problem or convey to other potential illegals NOT to enter illegally.

Lastly, 80-90% of detainees were unaccompanied by parent. What do you propose for them?

My point, there are two Bills pending that actually address the issue. Get on board with one of the two. Solve the problem where it SHOULD be solved!
 
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So, I keep asking the question and don’t get any rational answer. Let me try again.

Let’s take the separation off the table for a second. What options are left?

1) do nothing just continue catch and release.
2) hold the entire family unit for 20 days, that’s the maximum allowed under court settlement. THEN release them under catch and release.

So either remaining option does squat to solve the problem or convey to other potential illegals NOT to enter illegally.

Lastly, 80-90% of detainees were unaccompanied by parent. What do you propose for them?

My point, there are two Bills pending that actually address the issue. Get on board with one of the two. Solve the problem where it SHOULD be solved!
1. Don't take kids from their families. Full stop. What happens after that is a separate issue. Taking the kids does nothing to help the latter issue in any way, shape or form. It is a punitive measure.

2. Trump has said he will not support either of the bills. The moderate bill is a fair compromise IMO but has no chance b/c Trump won't sign it.
 
1. Don't take kids from their families. Full stop. What happens after that is a separate issue. Taking the kids does nothing to help the latter issue in any way, shape or form. It is a punitive measure.

2. Trump has said he will not support either of the bills. The moderate bill is a fair compromise IMO but has no chance b/c Trump won't sign it.
Catch up, man. He’s indicated support for either as long as the four pillars are addresses. Both do that. I personally like the Goodlatte bill because it contains E-Verify provisions
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amilies-at-the-border/?utm_term=.0cf52a6d742d

I can find these all day man. You're on the wrong side of this issue and again, I don't understand it. I've already stated on this thread that I agree w/ you that there needs to be a more structured program for how we handle illegal immigrants.

What I am stating unequivocally is that the policy of removing kids from their parents is reprehensible. And it needs to stop. Trump could stop the policy w/ a single statement but he will not because he is using children as leverage.

I guess you're just not going to budge on this and that's fine because neither am I. I respect you and have always liked your gastronomical opinions which makes your stance here all the more baffling.

It is the law.

If you don't like it, change the law. But ignoring or refusing to enforce the laws is not the correct path.

I may be a calloused prick but I simply don't give a fvck that these families are being separated because they are being separated due to their own bad decisions.

And please, riddle me this- why is this so much more reprehensible than the separation of families by deporting parents and putting kids in CPS after they've been here for a period of time? Again, the facts show all this shit has been going on for a long damn time and nobody really gave it a second thought until now.
 
I may be a calloused prick but I simply don't give a fvck that these families are being separated because they are being separated due to their own bad decisions.
There. We can be done now, you’ve gotten to the bottom of things and there no need to discuss further.
 
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There. We can be done now, you’ve gotten to the bottom of things and there no need to discuss further.

@AggieInDC you are mean, therefore he can disregard your opinion and ignore the fact that the ACLU and the daily beast reported this exact thing was going on under previous administrations.

The media told him to be outraged, and god dammit he is going to be outraged.
 
Sure, keep being willfully ignorant and you can paint the world in any way you like.

There’s no other way to be more explicit, it’s not true that any administration has enacted the family separation policy.
 
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Sure, keep being willfully ignorant and you can paint the world in any way you like.

There’s no other way to be more explicit, it’s not true that any administration has enacted the family separation policy.

Except, you know, for all the documentation I've shown from left-leaning sources which says otherwise.
 
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this must end!
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And this picture was put on twitter by "Jose Antonio Vargas" with the caption "This is what happens when a government believes people are illegal. Kids in cages." That tweet had 36,000 + hearts. On facebook the same thing was posted and had over 10,000 shares.

Jose Antonio Vargos is the person that California has decided to name an elementary school after and is an undocumented immigrant. Maybe this dipshit should stop spreading fake news and fear with propaganda BS. The kid is crying because the kids own parents put him in there at a protest on June 10th in Dallas. Good job parents.
 
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Let’s see:
One is individuals taking a risk to try to have a better life for themselves and their families.

The other is a government agency being unnecessarily cruel to said individuals.

You’re bad at analogies and at distinguishing when laws should be applied.

You’re also bad at basic human decency.
You do understand a great many of these children are not with their parents, and merely accompany the illegal adults. Most wouldnt know the word asylum if it was explained to them.. They dont seek asylum from religious persecution or democratic beliefs.... they seek a better standard of living/ a job, but mostly the free benefits our government gives them. So.. they can get in line and apply for immigration legally, and wait their turn.. just like you and me. And from my experience in Mexico and Latin America, these "detention centers" are the fricking Hyatt Regency meets ChuckieCheese to these kids..Are far better lot than most of our legitimate children from our own country without present parents or in foster care.
 
The pic that I posted is from this weekend. It's from the NPR article that I provided a link to.

OK, I was confusing it with the other pics that were allegedly of Trump having kids in cages and it was from the Obama Administration.
 
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I can't believe someone would think that NPR is not the most anti conservative news organization, well maybe a little less than MSNBC.
 
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