Wow...covid related

[BIMSAg02]

No, but it probably does mean we don't need to kill the economy, halt hundreds of millions of lives, send people into depression, screw up kids' college and HS years, have people postpone funerals and weddings, etc.

Separate issue - though I understand that is the driving force behind these discussions. I don't like it any more than you do. I have been lucky to work in the pharma industry that has continued relatively unaffected... but I know many many people are not as lucky.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

You are arguing that if a preexisting condition was present then the death has to be COVID. There is no way of knowing for sure. No one said the exact same day. You are basing your argument on something that can not be proven or rejected and basically calling people stupid for not agreeing.

No, I’m saying you can’t discount deaths because people had comorbidities. Most Americans have some. I’d venture to guess more over 50 have at least 2.6. These people weren’t dying because of them the day they died

it’s like saying Floyd died of a drug overdose. It’s really a bad argument.

 

[catorano]

Floyd wouldn’t have died if he hadn’t been basically overdosing on drugs. It’s possible to have multiple factors but I get your point. Remove one factor and people survive. My bigger point was people without those other factors should be good to go.

 

[catorano]

Better shut down businesses even though no people going to them are at risk of dying.

 

[offshore ag]

i have no idea what Q is or does. The CDC link is what it is

Their citing Q is just the left’s way of saying “see the right is crazy too” while actually burning cities in the Midwest and PNW.

 

[RedshirtAg]

Floyd also had Covid....

 

[RedshirtAg]

Their citing Q is just the left’s way of saying “see the right is crazy too” while actually burning cities in the Midwest and PNW.

Thread started by quoting Q. I’m not left I’m just not crazy enough to believe crazy people.

 

[munns5986]

No, I’m saying you can’t discount deaths because people had comorbidities. Most Americans have some. I’d venture to guess more over 50 have at least 2.6. These people weren’t dying because of them the day they died

it’s like saying Floyd died of a drug overdose. It’s really a bad argument.

Again you are making a factual statement about something that cannot be proved. I believe it said 42% were over 65 (not positive on that), you don’t think it’s possible any of them were dying from preexisting conditions when they caught COVID? The only facts I have actually seen stated were that on average they had 2.6 conditions and that 6% of all COVID deaths did not have preexisting conditions.

I am not saying you are wrong either. I do believe the number is greater than 6% of deaths that actually occurred were due to COVID.

 

[spencer2]

I honestly can’t even respect people who have their head in the sand at this point.
The only thing I can say is one day soon they will wake up shocking wondering how this happened in America.

It won't be me--I see it. Many don't.

 

[offshore ag]

Thread started by quoting Q. I’m not left I’m just not crazy enough to believe crazy people.

The meat and potatoes of the tweet was from the CDC. If Q says 2+2=4 and cites a math book, they’re still right.

For the record, i don’t read, forward, seek out, encourage, endorse, or defend this Q stuff.

 

[RedshirtAg]

The tweet quoted someone’s Facebook post not the CDC. Feels like bad data being spread.

 

[catorano]

The tweet quoted someone’s Facebook post not the CDC. Feels like bad data being spread.

Ive posted the link. Look at it.

 

[offshore ag]

The tweet quoted someone’s Facebook post not the CDC. Feels like bad data being spread.

The table in the tweet can be found by starting with post# 21 in this thread. There you will find a link to an older ay thread. In that older thread post #47 you will find a link to the table in the tweet.

The only thing wrong with the tweet is that the CDC saying 94% of cv deaths have 2.6(avg) comorbidities is not new information, and they didn’t quietly change anything in the last 1.5 months, at least.

I’ve probably linked that exact info from cdc no less than 5 times here over the last 2 months, but many of those threads ended up deleted.

 

[MSCAg1997]

i have no idea what Q is or does. The CDC link is what it is

I think that the point is, right or wrong, you are reposting some stuff that was originally posted by some crazy ass people.

it also appears that you are misleading people to believe that Covid hasn’t killed as many people as it has. I have no idea why you think that profits you.

 

[AggieTom2000]

Separate issue - though I understand that is the driving force behind these discussions. I don't like it any more than you do. I have been lucky to work in the pharma industry that has continued relatively unaffected... but I know many many people are not as lucky.

I'm in education, so at least I have a job. That being said, all the fun parts have been removed or severely affected by this and it is wearing on me. I am seeing people lose their minds right in front of me. Somewhat distressing. Hopefully this ends soon but I think it's going to go through next Spring Break.

 

[catorano]

I think that the point is, right or wrong, you are reposting some stuff that was originally posted by some crazy ass people.

it also appears that you are misleading people to believe that Covid hasn’t killed as many people as it has. I have no idea why you think that profits you.

I’m gonna be rich!!!

 

[catorano]

I think that the point is, right or wrong, you are reposting some stuff that was originally posted by some crazy ass people.

it also appears that you are misleading people to believe that Covid hasn’t killed as many people as it has. I have no idea why you think that profits you.

It hasn’t killed many at all without comorbidities or advanced age.

 

[chandler bhang]

qanon is the left hand.

here’s the right hand:

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says

A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN, and a key White House coronavirus task force member was not part of the meeting when the...

www.cnn.com

 

[gp391]

Can you? What year did 160k Americans die of the flu? Are these comorbidities all new?

True but when do we ever label a fatal cardiac event as a flu related death?

 

[RedshirtAg]

My rational brain believes the CDC change is the White House saying hey make these covid deaths look better. Pat on the back we did a great job pretending this wasn't an issue.

 

[txag1979]

I don't trust anything that comes with a CNN spin on it.

 

[MSCAg1997]

It hasn’t killed many at all without comorbidities or advanced age.

aka the majority of Americans.

 

[wick]

My rational brain believes the CDC change is the White House saying hey make these covid deaths look better. Pat on the back we did a great job pretending this wasn't an issue.

Had the White House done this, it would be non stop on every tv outlet. Rational brain says that it didn’t happen

 

[RedshirtAg]

So why did they add a disclaimer. For the record I have no way of verifying any way of reporting data changed. I read the Facebook thread the post was from and nobody can validate anything.

 

[txag1979]

How many folks on AY have 2.6 comorbidities?

 

[catorano]

aka the majority of Americans.

Hit me with the % of Americans that are dead from covid even with this auspicious categorization.

 

[txag1979]

Hit me with the % of Americans that are dead from covid even with this auspicious categorization.

Based on the mass hysteria that has been present, I would expect that number to be north of 7 or 8%. What is the number?

 

[catorano]

Most Americans ... 0.000465256797583

 

[txag1979]

@catorano , what is the corresponding number in the same decimal format for flu in years past?

 

[2th_doc]

@catorano , what is the corresponding number in the same decimal format for flu in years past?

the problem with that question is CDC didn’t necessarily NOT fudge flu numbers.. wouldn’t surprise me in the least, in effort to justify flu vaccinations

they’re a bunch of fudgers.
fudgin’ fudgers.

 

[superag1000]

No, but it probably does mean we don't need to kill the economy, halt hundreds of millions of lives, send people into depression, screw up kids' college and HS years, have people postpone funerals and weddings, etc.

This. We had a bad policy of shutting down the economy when we should have protected the vulnerable.

 

[MSCAg1997]

Hit me with the % of Americans that are dead from covid even with this auspicious categorization.

Don’t be an idiot. what percentage of Americans are obese, have high blood pressure, or otherwise have a pre-existing condition?

 

[Reez05]

Separate issue - though I understand that is the driving force behind these discussions. I don't like it any more than you do. I have been lucky to work in the pharma industry that has continued relatively unaffected... but I know many many people are not as lucky.

In light of all of the evidence at this time do you still think it was the right move? I 100% think it was not because we're still dealing with the spread that would have happened if we didn't shut down and the entire country would likely be at herd immunity by now, we just delayed the inevitable.

The truth lies in the middle - the 180k or whatever is probably way overblown but it's also a hell of a lot higher than 10k. COVID is much worse than the flu because it is pretty fatal for the older population AND it is much more communicable than the flu. The problem IMO is that we got the worst of both, it still spread and we tanked the economy which is going to have major ramifications on public health down the road. We added a huge amount of debt and we still have the eviction crisis looming. Most of what we have seen though is that the COVID cycle is about 90 days from outbreak to dwindling cases.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the problem is we still have too many people clinging to the lockdown mentality and it is political partisanship. I read an article from investment firm Franklin Templeton on this and their surveys suggest that those who identify as Democrats have a high level of fear still that is not supported by current data.

Now if you want to get out the tinfoil I also read some interesting articles that show Chinese bots were hard core pushing for a lockdown on social media and attacked politicians who did not support that move - millions of identical messages stating "blood is on your hands". The articles suggest that China has far more knowledge of the virus and purposefully leaked the early messages on the dangers to cause economic instability through lockdown. It is interesting because China is very tight with information and used the WHO to promote the lockdown policies. Of course there are problems with this theory because Italy did get hit very hard and Sweden didn't lockdown and still had economic problems. China did push for lockdown though so you have to wonder why.

We have to get off of the extremes on both sides but I don't think there's any

 

[Reez05]

In light of all of the evidence at this time do you still think it was the right move? I 100% think it was not because we're still dealing with the spread that would have happened if we didn't shut down and the entire country would likely be at herd immunity by now, we just delayed the inevitable.

The truth lies in the middle - the 180k or whatever is probably way overblown but it's also a hell of a lot higher than 10k. COVID is much worse than the flu because it is pretty fatal for the older population AND it is much more communicable than the flu. The problem IMO is that we got the worst of both, it still spread and we tanked the economy which is going to have major ramifications on public health down the road. We added a huge amount of debt and we still have the eviction crisis looming. Most of what we have seen though is that the COVID cycle is about 90 days from outbreak to dwindling cases.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the problem is we still have too many people clinging to the lockdown mentality and it is political partisanship. I read an article from investment firm Franklin Templeton on this and their surveys suggest that those who identify as Democrats have a high level of fear still that is not supported by current data.

Now if you want to get out the tinfoil I also read some interesting articles that show Chinese bots were hard core pushing for a lockdown on social media and attacked politicians who did not support that move - millions of identical messages stating "blood is on your hands". The articles suggest that China has far more knowledge of the virus and purposefully leaked the early messages on the dangers to cause economic instability through lockdown. It is interesting because China is very tight with information and used the WHO to promote the lockdown policies. Of course there are problems with this theory because Italy did get hit very hard and Sweden didn't lockdown and still had economic problems. China did push for lockdown though so you have to wonder why.

We have to get off of the extremes on both sides but I don't think there's any

Other solution than to push through and continue to protect the at risk population.

 

[BIMSAg02]

Man that’s a lot of words for 2am

 

[Reez05]

qanon is the left hand.

here’s the right hand:

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says

A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN, and a key White House coronavirus task force member was not part of the meeting when the...

www.cnn.com

Maybe this is what you're implicating by contrasting them to Q but:
CNN the network that brought you the report "fiery but mostly peaceful protests".
They are a completely untrustworthy news source at this time.
Don't take this as any kind of defense of Fox either, I'm just saying CNN is shit and it's a stand alone statement. These guys just got their asses handed to them in the slander suit by Sandmann and that should tell you plenty.
You really need to read a highly diverse set of reports to get anything near the truth these days and usually read the source documents, statements and view multiple videos. It's sad because these journalists bring little value and you almost have to become a digital journalist yourself to get any real substantive information.

 

[Reez05]

Man that’s a lot of words for 2am

Just got home from the beach and enjoying a cigar while I post.
It's an interesting topic and the folks on AY are pretty good at bringing good and differing opinions and facts for discussion.
At least here I know I'm conversing with mostly college educated individuals and not the brain dead masses on Twitter. Even if In don't agree I know I'll usually get a few good things and points to think about.

 

[jr95]

i have no idea what Q is or does. The CDC link is what it is

Don’t take it personal Cat. From time to time the sheepBots can get glitchy before receiving their updated iOS. There have been widespread reports of the Bots who are still running the late Spring ‘20.3 OS Freezing up when upon reading data sets regarding police shootings or Covid 19 Hospitalization Rates they revert to a repeating “Q Q Q Q Q Q” language error.

 

[catorano]

My rational brain believes the CDC change is the White House saying hey make these covid deaths look better. Pat on the back we did a great job pretending this wasn't an issue.

I don’t know. Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory.

 

[2th_doc]

My rational brain believes
the CDC change is the
White House saying hey make these covid deaths look better.
Pat on the back we did a great job pretending this wasn't an issue.

here's a subliminal message for your rational brain to play with.