Losers and suckers

[Aggie98nHouston]

They reported about a story that the Atlantic made allegations and they reported Trump’s response. I don’t see the issue here at all

Had Trump’s response included the wx data and they omitted that maybe I see your issue more.

 

[offshore ag]

The issue is that one of the primary allegations by the Atlantic and the Atlantic’s anonymous sources (trump claiming the chopper couldn’t go was “not true”) was proven wrong by the FOIA docs.

The mission was, in fact, scrubbed by trump’s security detail. The Atlantic and their anonymous sources are wrong. The NYT re-reporting information that has proven to be wrong is bullshit. “Fake news”, if you will.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

Was the wx stuff known when the NYT published it? I assume not bc it wasn’t part of Trump’s denial.

 

[offshore ag]

Copy pasted from Atlantic:

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

 

[offshore ag]

Was the wx stuff known when the NYT published it? I assume not bc it wasn’t part of Trump’s denial.

The Wx stuff has been on twitter since May 2019.

In their efforts to vet the hell out of everything, regardless of whether the info was on twitter, do you think the NYT could have made the same FOIA request as some random guy?

 

[oldag1980]

They reported about a story that the Atlantic made allegations and they reported Trump’s response. I don’t see the issue here at all

Had Trump’s response included the wx data and they omitted that maybe I see your issue more.

So you don’t see any issue with NYT Not doing any investigative research in order to support one side or the other? They are just repeating what the Atlantic printed and Trump’s denial. You don’t see the issue with that? To me that just seems like repeating the same lie enough times to try and make it real.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

So you don’t see any issue with NYT Not doing any investigative research in order to support one side or the other? They are just repeating what the Atlantic printed and Trump’s denial. You don’t see the issue with that? To me that just seems like repeating the same lie enough times to try and make it real.

I don’t. The story is what was reported and the response.

Did Fox do FOIA requests and whatever days of investigations when reporting in the story?

Sources dispute claim Trump nixed visit to military cemetery over disdain for slain veterans, but back up parts of Atlantic report

President Trump canceled a planned 2018 trip to a cemetery for American war dead in France because of the weather and not because of disdain for the slain soldiers who are buried there or concern about how the weather would affect his hair, two sources told Fox News, despite a report from The...

www.foxnews.com

 

[oldag1980]

I don’t. The story is what was reported and the response.

Did Fox do FOIA requests and whatever days of investigations when reporting in the story?

Sources dispute claim Trump nixed visit to military cemetery over disdain for slain veterans, but back up parts of Atlantic report

President Trump canceled a planned 2018 trip to a cemetery for American war dead in France because of the weather and not because of disdain for the slain soldiers who are buried there or concern about how the weather would affect his hair, two sources told Fox News, despite a report from The...

www.foxnews.com

ok, so you have no issue with “news” services not doing any investigation into their stories. Just repeat something they want everyone to believe and it’s all good.

 

[offshore ag]

I don’t. The story is what was reported and the response.

Did Fox do FOIA requests and whatever days of investigations when reporting in the story?

Sources dispute claim Trump nixed visit to military cemetery over disdain for slain veterans, but back up parts of Atlantic report

President Trump canceled a planned 2018 trip to a cemetery for American war dead in France because of the weather and not because of disdain for the slain soldiers who are buried there or concern about how the weather would affect his hair, two sources told Fox News, despite a report from The...

www.foxnews.com

I am not sure what this proves. More “sources”.

Not to mention, you are the one telling us the media carefully vets all of this info before putting it out there. and you give us more media and then ask us to vouch for it.

Jennifer griffin’s name is on that article. You can browse her twitter for two minutes and determine that she’s incapable of writing about trump objectively.

 

[oldag1980]

I honestly believe news services are complete shit these days. There is so little information or thought put into it. They all just repeat what Reuter’s puts out with a little something of their own thrown in.

 

[cstanfld]

I honestly believe news services are complete shit these days. There is so little information or thought put into it. They all just repeat what Reuter’s puts out with a little something of their own thrown in.

I put little to no stock in the news. There are some good reporters out there trying to get it right. But overall they, like Google and others, believe it’s their job to shape the world.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

They didn’t report it as their own story. They said “the Atlantic reported X. Trump denied it, saying Y”

The vetting you speak of was to ensure they accurately reported both what the Atlantic said and what Trump said. Saying they had to dig into the truth if either what the Atlantic said it Trump’s denial is stupid. That wasn’t the story.

 

[offshore ag]

It’s quite amazing that you claim to be so against misinformation and yet you’re here in this thread tapdancing as carefully as possible around the fact that the NYT didn’t give a shit about the accuracy of the facts they presented. The objective is—and has been—to smear trump.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

Fox reported this. Do you think that’s their mission too?

Or is it possible the story is what I said it is. It’s weird for you to claim to be an expert in journalistic morality. Nothing in the story is false or fake. It’s all accurate information.

 

[2th_doc]

Is it verified?

*sigh*

 

[offshore ag]

They didn’t report it as their own story. They said “the Atlantic reported X. Trump denied it, saying Y”

The vetting you speak of was to ensure they accurately reported both what the Atlantic said and what Trump said. Saying they had to dig into the truth if either what the Atlantic said it Trump’s denial is stupid. That wasn’t the story.

Saying that the NYT’s story is actually only that the Atlantic wrote a story and therefore NYT only needed to vet that the Atlantic wrote it, is a chicken shit cop out.

the NYT is spreading/promoting misinformation either intentionally or because they didn’t do their homework, period.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

I guess Fox hates Trump too bc they did the same reporting.

 

[offshore ag]

I guess Fox hates Trump too bc they did the same reporting.

We specifically started discussing the NYT because you brought them into this thread as an example of a media source that wouldn’t report/promote “fake news” and because they reported/promoted a story that has verifiable facts that were highly suspect at best, outright wrong at worst, based on publicly available FOIA info.

fox is not the trump news service, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing this is up as some sort of attempt at a “gotcha”.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

I’m using it as an example.

When stories come out on the AP, they get picked up by whichever news organization wants to run it. And they say, “as reported by the AP”

This is the same thing. It happens every single day.

 

[offshore ag]

We’re starting to talk in circles here. I realize that the NYT is just reporting what the Atlantic wrote.

My contention is that promoting a story with questionable information (without first independently verifying that information, let alone vetting the hell out of it) because it fits the agenda is how we ended up with the term “fake news”.

The NYT is not going to look into this further than it has to because it has no desire to reduce the impact of the Atlantic’s allegations (trump calling dead Americans suckers and losers is already at max effectiveness) and has to milk this for clicks before it falls out of the news cycle.

You can think what you want about that, but don’t get on your high horse and lecture people about the dangers of the term “fake news” or having the nerve to question the NYT.

 

[2th_doc]

where are all the stories about biden's legislative victories..
oh, that's right, never mind.. he's never done a damn thing in his 50 years on the public payroll.

aggie98 in housto n argues that regardless of claims being baseless, it's up to trump to prove his innocence..

funny thing is, i don't think trump gives a damn what anybody thinks..
he has a job to do, and if dems or mitt or flake or murkowski want to believe all the trash, even after 5 years of bullshit, then screw them and let's get something accomplished for the country.

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

aggie98 in housto n argues that regardless of claims being baseless, it's up to trump to prove his innocence..

Huh? Where’d I say anything even close to that? I actually said pretty much the exact opposite.

The constant making up what I say and arguing against thing is bizarre.

 

[AginAf III]

Why would anyone who has served his Country as a warrior, particularly those who were or are volunteers and served in combat, vote for this draft dodging ass hole for Commander in Chief?

The answer is only because the alternative is an empty suit front for a rampant Marxist power grab of our Democracy.

But he's most assuredly has lost my vote - I'll either put down a write - in candidate or vote Libertarian.

What a FUBAR year!!!!

 

[cstanfld]

Why would anyone who has served his Country as a warrior, particularly those who were or are volunteers and served in combat, vote for this draft dodging ass hole for Commander in Chief?

The answer is only because the alternative is an empty suit front for a rampant Marxist power grab of our Democracy.

But he's most assuredly has lost my vote - I'll either put down a write - in candidate or vote Libertarian.

What a FUBAR year!!!!

Hate to see that because you’re in Philly and PA will be a tight race.

 

[2th_doc]

Believe them or not, I am not inclined to care about anonymous sources either.
Like a criminal trial, you get to face your accusers for a reason.
Come out and tell us what he said and let Trump defend himself (or not) or shut up.

aggie98 in housto n argues that regardless of claims being baseless, it's up to trump to prove his innocence..

Huh? Where’d I say anything even close to that?
I actually said pretty much the exact opposite.

The constant making up what I say and arguing against thing is bizarre.

i believe "like a criminal trial, ..let Trump defend himself" is saying he has to prove his innocence.

 

[ITS BK]

It would appear that the Atlantic story has accomplished its purpose with at least one voter..Aginaf

No vote is a vote for Biden.

As for the media, I no longer listen to their constant and eternal spewing of verbal sewage about Trump even if the constant "discussions" are entertaining.

 

[2th_doc]

But he's most assuredly has lost my vote

is that decision based on this dubious "losers and suckers" tale?

 

[texasguyto]

 

[cstanfld]

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This to me puts the lie to the story. It’s coordinated and based on anonymous sources who most likely are never trumpers.
I like Jennifer Griffin and think she’s a good reporter so I trust people told her what they told her. But I don’t trust the people who have come out of the administration on average

 

[texasguyto]

Why would anyone who has served his Country as a warrior, particularly those who were or are volunteers and served in combat, vote for this draft dodging ass hole for Commander in Chief?

The answer is only because the alternative is an empty suit front for a rampant Marxist power grab of our Democracy.

But he's most assuredly has lost my vote - I'll either put down a write - in candidate or vote Libertarian.

What a FUBAR year!!!!

A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the radical socialist. Really think about that and if that’s what you want.
Don’t let the liberal fake media brainwashed you into that.

 

[texasguyto]

 

[texasguyto]

 

[cstanfld]

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Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he said this. But I pray he actually has seen the power of Christianity while in office. He at least stands up for religious freedom and causes important to Christians.

 

[texasguyto]

 

[cstanfld]

In terms of integrity, remember when the media including CBS used and promoted fake evidence against GW Bush to help Kerry win an election and got caught? So remind me why we should trust journalists not to outright lie.

 

[texasguyto]

 

[ITS BK]

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God bless this man and all those that serve. I do not believe Trump doesn't respect our military based on his actions !!!

 

[texasguyto]

 

[aggies43080]

Kelly and Mattis didn’t give specifics but both confirmed that they have heard Trump give disparaging comments about veterans in their presence. That’s 2 former 4 star generals saying they believe the Atlantic’s story based on their own experience with Trump.

 

[aggies43080]

You also have the head of the department of homeland security at the time saying she had multiple people call her right after Trump gave those statements. So everyone is lying. Got it. Got those that say even if what Trump said is true, @texasguyto, you have clearly never known someone who has given the ultimate sacrifice because if you did you wouldnt say the things you’ve said