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Losers and suckers

I know you genuinely believe this. I’ve told you I’ve spent years fighting weird conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. Part of that has been working with real journalists. People from the NYT to 60 Minutes. These people aren’t making up stories. It’s just not happening. They vet the hell out of everything they publish. They have to or risk being sued.

That doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong sometimes. It doesn’t mean at times they will cover a story in a manner you may not like. But they are not knowingly disseminating false information.

This won’t change your mind. I get that. It’s just interesting to watch what I was warned about 5 years ago all come true.

I like how you keep referencing the NYT as if they are some standard of journalistic integrity.


Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.

Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world? And so self-censorship has become the norm.

nowadays, standing up for principle at the paper does not win plaudits. It puts a target on your back.
 
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So you work for people who’s charter is looking at wack jobs like Alex Jones. How fun is that?
Alex Jones is a weirdo with a very small following. I’d be embarrassed to say that my purpose in life is to refute what a crazy person has the right to discuss.
The fact that you note the NYT is another giggle. Alex Jones isn’t our problem. It’s people who fund you that are
Bud - you have absolutely no f’n clue what I do. But since you’re showing your ass, I’ll tell you. I represent the parents of kids killed at Sandy Hook who are trying to hold Alex Jones responsible for all his lies which have lead to them getting death threats because nuts think they are crises actors. I’m not embarrassed by that at all. And it is pretty rewarding. Also, it’s most likely all for free. And I don’t work for anybody.

What do you do? Is it fun?
 
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When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.




The Atlantic’s sources for the comments are wrong about something that can actually be verified:



 
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Bud - you have absolutely no f’n clue what I do. But since you’re showing your ass, I’ll tell you. I represent the parents of kids killed at Sandy Hook who are trying to hold Alex Jones responsible for all his lies which have lead to them getting death threats because nuts think they are crises actors. I’m not embarrassed by that at all. And it is pretty rewarding. Also, it’s most likely all for free. And I don’t work for anybody.

What do you do? Is it fun?
I provide medical supplies to children with special needs. It’s extremely rewarding and I get to watch babies grow from the NICU into happy full of life young people. I answer the phone in the middle of the night when a mom has an issue feeding her child that was just released from
The hospital and work like hell to make sure they don’t have to go back to he hospital for any reason.
I damn sure don’t envy you having to listen to a crazy person all day hoping they mess up and say something stupid. Glad you like it though. Have fun with all that.
 
I provide medical supplies to children with special needs. It’s extremely rewarding and I get to watch babies grow from the NICU into happy full of life young people. I answer the phone in the middle of the night when a mom has an issue feeding her child that was just released from
The hospital and work like hell to make sure they don’t have to go back to he hospital for any reason.
I damn sure don’t envy you having to listen to a crazy person all day hoping they mess up and say something stupid. Glad you like it though. Have fun with all that.
That’s awesome. We have a special needs daughter and were in the NICU for 30 days. You’re right that not going back is hugely important to the family!
 
I think the anonymous stuff is weak. I don’t know much about the Atlantic. It’s not a source I’d consider a major news outlet. I know it’s big enough to have some vetting which probably required some amount of secondary sources backing up the claims. But who knows. It’s interesting Fox just backed it up.

Do you think the Atlantic or NYT will discuss the FOIA emails saying that the mission was scrubbed due to Wx?

What do you think this does for the credibility of the “sources” claiming that the chopper could’ve flown?

the FOIA docs were actually pulled a year and a half ago, long before "suckers and losers" became a thing with the media.

 
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Bud - you have absolutely no f’n clue what I do. But since you’re showing your ass, I’ll tell you. I represent the parents of kids killed at Sandy Hook who are trying to hold Alex Jones responsible for all his lies which have lead to them getting death threats because nuts think they are crises actors. I’m not embarrassed by that at all. And it is pretty rewarding. Also, it’s most likely all for free. And I don’t work for anybody.

What do you do? Is it fun?
so, alex jones said things which are allegedly proven to be lies, and these lies were believed by other people, and those people have threatened the lives of parents of kids who were killed at an elementary school?.. and you are representing these parents because they want monetary damages for the deaths of their kids, along with retribution for words spoken by alex jones?..

well, i showed people how to floss, so my life's work wasn't totally in vain.
 
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So you work for people who’s charter is looking at wack jobs like Alex Jones. How fun is that?
Alex Jones is a weirdo with a very small following. I’d be embarrassed to say that my purpose in life is to refute what a crazy person has the right to discuss.
The fact that you note the NYT is another giggle. Alex Jones isn’t our problem. It’s people who fund you that are
This. It is cute how Dems think the NYT is fair and balanced. Their job is to destroy Trump and other conservatives. They have pushed out liberal staff for not being liberal enough. They have racists working there like the Asian lady who said she liked to see older white men suffer. They all had marching orders to push Russian collusion with Trump.
 
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i can't wait to see what they are saving for the day before third quarter numbers are released.
i bet they go with stormy daniels is a man and he can identify a freckle on the donald johnson.

then they will hook their wagon to creepy porn lawyer's quotes about his own penile code.
 
aggie98houston where are you?

Where is the OP?

98houston I realize that in your line of work there is a premium placed on the truth. Your livelihood depends on it. We have FOIA docs that are in direct disagreement with the information provided by anonymous sources in the Atlantic. And yet, as you have repeatedly stated, fake news is very dangerous and these services would never willingly misrepresent the truth.

I am anxiously awaiting your explanation for what has happened here.
 
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I want your opinion on the information provided by the FOIA docs versus what was reported by the Atlantic.

Specifically, the helo mission being scrubbed due to Wx versus the Atlantic reporting that this was not true.
 
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I said from the very beginning of this story that any story based on anonymous sources isn’t worth paying attention to. I think if your going to make these kind of accusations you have to let Trump challenge the accusers.
 
Here is my post on page 1

“Believe them or not, I am not inclined to care about anonymous sources either. Like a criminal trial, you get to face your accusers for a reason. Come out and tell us what he said and let Trump defend himself (or not) or shut up.”
 
I appreciate your response. I was more looking for your analysis of the credibility/ethics of the reporting by the Atlantic in light of what we know based on the FOIA docs.
 
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I’m not familiar with the Atlantic. I think publishing a story based on anonymous sources only would be pretty reckless. I would hope they had some corroborating evidence to support the allegations.
 
I’d said the news organizations I’ve dealt with are very careful their stories are vetted. They have to, because if they publish things that are false, there are repercussions. Mostly, sued for defamation. That’s not to say it never happens, but they are careful.
 
Can you please reconcileyour last post with this previous post of
Yours:

Part of that has been working with real journalists. People from the NYT to 60 Minutes. These people aren’t making up stories. It’s just not happening. They vet the hell out of everything they publish. They have to or risk being sued.

Because the NYT immediately ran with the Atlantic article and didn’t appear to “vet the hell out of” the facts.

 
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Sure. The NYT is reporting what the Atlantic said and Trump’s response. That’s a story that should be reported. They say that repeatedly in the story. They quote Trump’s denial. What’s the issue with this story?

“Mr. Trump denied that he made the remarks repeatedly over the course of the day and rallied current and former aides who backed him up on the record. “It’s a fake story and it’s a disgrace that they’re allowed to do it,” he told reporters in the Oval Office, insisting that he respected the troops. “To me, they’re heroes,” he said. “It’s even hard to believe how they could do it. And I say that, the level of bravery, and to me, they’re absolute heroes.”’
 
Do you think that the NYT should have reported that the Atlantic’s sources were proven incorrect by the FOIA docs?

Here’s a better question: why wouldn’t the NYT report that?

Do you think there exists a scenario where the NYT hasn’t seen the FOIA docs on twitter at this point?

Was the NYT capable of an FOIA request of their own to verify?
 
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I saw that in this thread. Is it verified? I really haven’t followed this story much bc like I said, anonymous sources just tuned me out instantly.

It’s an interesting question though. Typically I’d say no. Nobody is required to publish information. But if the wx reports are verified and unquestioned, I’d say it should have been reported.
 
I saw that in this thread. Is it verified? I really haven’t followed this story much bc like I said, anonymous sources just tuned me out instantly.

It’s an interesting question though. Typically I’d say no. Nobody is required to publish information. But if the wx reports are verified and unquestioned, I’d say it should have been reported.

But you also assured us that the NYT vets the hell out of information. Why
Is the NYT either
A) not submitting their own FOIA request for the Wx surrounding the events in question?
Or
B) not presenting the FOIA docs publicly available on twitter?

We both know the answer, how much longer are we going to keep fvcking around here?
 
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