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No that is not factual. Please quit posting this gibberish. Go get the vaccine.

You’re 100% wrong!
Why don’t you look at the results in India when they started using it for early intervention. Why is it not in the news anymore?
 
Jesus the virtue signaling and self righteousness is oozing through this thread. It’s as if the vaccine cheerleaders have been waiting to pounce on someone for something. The best they got was a good guy who felt a little rough and decided to take himself out of the equation and deal with it as the world should have and they pounce as if they’ve won some moral victory. This is the world we live in. The bitches of the world have something they are going to crow about and they will crow as if they’re saving the world. It’s nauseating
Wait you read the politicized OPs take on CDC/WHO and Fauci as non virtue signaling? Then saw the people on here who are fed up with dumb asses talking about internet cures who mostly chimed in with simple takes like “get vaccinated, “ then virtue signaled back to all the Covid vax angries that you were with them? Haha. The Covid Vax angries are a sad bunch.

Let’s keep it simple. Get vaccinated.
 
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If it such a great cure why didn’t they give it to Donald Trump? He was hospitalized and not given a horse dewormer. My friend who died of Covid was also not given this miracle cure…I wonder why? At least you won’t get worms! I’d double mask it and socially distance if I were you just in case you are wrong. In the meantime please quit posting these conspiracy theories.
 
Wait you read the politicized OPs take on CDC/WHO and Fauci as non virtue signaling? Then saw the people on here who are fed up with dumb asses talking about internet cures who mostly chimed in with simple takes like “get vaccinated, “ then virtue signaled back to all the Covid vax angries that you were with them? Haha. The Covid Vax angries are a sad bunch.

Let’s keep it simple. Get vaccinated.
Lol. Make your own damn decisions and let the rest of the world live their lives. If you want the damn shot take it but stop acting like you are saving the world from a virus that has a 99% survival rate.
 
Lol. Make your own damn decisions and let the rest of the world live their lives. If you want the damn shot take it but stop acting like you are saving the world from a virus that has a 99% survival rate.
Covid Vax Angries are awake!

Also, didn’t say anything about saving anything or anyone else’s decision. Made fun of a dummy. Move along
 
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Lol. Make your own damn decisions and let the rest of the world live their lives. If you want the damn shot take it but stop acting like you are saving the world from a virus that has a 99% survival rate.
1 %….I love this argument. Take 100 people you know and like and pick one to die. Go ahead. Maybe it ends up being a grand parent or possibly a sibling, but let’s go ahead and undermine the potential deaths of millions of people due to 1% fatality rate.

Take 3.3 million people out of 330 million Americans and see what it does to the economy. I’m guessing it’s worse than the lockdown was. Take 70 million out of 7 billion in the world economy and let’s see how that plays out.

The pandemic has and will have far reaching negative health, economic, and social impacts that we probably won’t fully understand for years to come, but let’s go ahead and undermine the vaccine and let’s give everyone a choice because it is “their bodies”. What a bunch of horse crap? Get the vaccine and be a responsible member of society.
 
1 %….I love this argument. Take 100 people you know and like and pick one to die. Go ahead. Maybe it ends up being a grand parent or possibly a sibling, but let’s go ahead and undermine the potential deaths of millions of people due to 1% fatality rate.

Take 3.3 million people out of 330 million Americans and see what it does to the economy. I’m guessing it’s worse than the lockdown was. Take 70 million out of 7 billion in the world economy and let’s see how that plays out.

The pandemic has and will have far reaching negative health, economic, and social impacts that we probably won’t fully understand for years to come, but let’s go ahead and undermine the vaccine and let’s give everyone a choice because it is “their bodies”. What a bunch of horse crap? Get the vaccine and be a responsible member of society.
Lighten up Francis
 
Well it’s not that simple. We need everyone to get vaccinated because the more people who don’t will continue to get Covid. The longer Covid stays around the more mutations. The more mutations the more likely a strain develops that the vaccine doesn’t cover. So it’s in our greatest interest to promote vaccinations. It’s time to stop with the vaccination denial. it’s bad for the health of our nation and simply unsafe and frankly selfish. Politics should not be part of the discussion.
Wrong it will die out with 70% plus vaccinated and many of the others already haven't had
COVID. Those that get it going forward will get immunity. You people need to rest, protect yourself and resist from trying to control other's life.
 
Ok, I don’t usually do this but here it goes.

First off, I don’t give a damn if someone gets vaccinated or not. It would help against variants if everyone got it, but some of you will disagree with that and I care about your opinion as much as I care if you get vaccinated or not.

But as for letting everyone’s body naturally fight it off like it’s designed to do, are we just going to completely ignore that this thing was extremely likely intentionally developed in a Chinese lab? The evidence has always been there and the media is just now half assed picking it up. This more than likely is not a virus developed in nature.

Regardless, I got the vaccine because I’m not going to take a stand on what goes into my body when I drink like a fish and eat shit that is full of chemicals and preservatives and whatever the hell is put in our food. People can argue about it all they want, but I am watching games without stupid ass cardboard cutouts in the stands and can go pretty much anywhere without putting on a worthless mask. I don’t give a shit why that is the case, but it makes me happy.
 
Well it’s not that simple. We need everyone to get vaccinated because the more people who don’t will continue to get Covid. The longer Covid stays around the more mutations. The more mutations the more likely a strain develops that the vaccine doesn’t cover. So it’s in our greatest interest to promote vaccinations. It’s time to stop with the vaccination denial. it’s bad for the health of our nation and simply unsafe and frankly selfish. Politics should not be part of the discussion.


The more we quarantined people last year, the longer the virus stayed around and the more it mutated. It is damn near impossilble to keep a virus from spreading. isolation is not the way.

I took the vaccine but if someone doesn't want to that is on them. If they get it will good for you enjoy the ride!

When does football season start ?
 
1 %….I love this argument. Take 100 people you know and like and pick one to die. Go ahead. Maybe it ends up being a grand parent or possibly a sibling, but let’s go ahead and undermine the potential deaths of millions of people due to 1% fatality rate.

Take 3.3 million people out of 330 million Americans and see what it does to the economy. I’m guessing it’s worse than the lockdown was. Take 70 million out of 7 billion in the world economy and let’s see how that plays out.

The pandemic has and will have far reaching negative health, economic, and social impacts that we probably won’t fully understand for years to come, but let’s go ahead and undermine the vaccine and let’s give everyone a choice because it is “their bodies”. What a bunch of horse crap? Get the vaccine and be a responsible member of society.


A 1% reduction in people will decrease global warming so the Dems should be all for it ! :)
 
1 %….I love this argument. Take 100 people you know and like and pick one to die. Go ahead. Maybe it ends up being a grand parent or possibly a sibling, but let’s go ahead and undermine the potential deaths of millions of people due to 1% fatality rate.

Take 3.3 million people out of 330 million Americans and see what it does to the economy. I’m guessing it’s worse than the lockdown was. Take 70 million out of 7 billion in the world economy and let’s see how that plays out.

The pandemic has and will have far reaching negative health, economic, and social impacts that we probably won’t fully understand for years to come, but let’s go ahead and undermine the vaccine and let’s give everyone a choice because it is “their bodies”. What a bunch of horse crap? Get the vaccine and be a responsible member of society.
Do you feel the same way about the regular Flu? What about driving considering you have a bigger chance of dying on a daily commute than 1%? Happy 4th. This is Boring. Whatever. Get the shot if you want but stop acting like you are saving the world or somehow sacrificing something. It’s stupid and truly makes no sense for perfectly healthy people to get this vaccination if they don’t want to. If you are old or a fat ass with diabetes you need more than COVID shot. You need to get off your ass and get in shape. If you have the vaccine you shouldn’t have to worry about anyone else right. Live your damn life. If you want to get a tattoo in commemoration to your sacrifices have at it. But don’t expect anyone to give a shit outside of your covid freak out groups
 
Wrong it will die out with 70% plus vaccinated and many of the others already haven't had
COVID. Those that get it going forward will get immunity. You people need to rest, protect yourself and resist from trying to control other's life.

You probably still think we should give it children and young adults. The military has also reported numerous incidents. By very definition this is not a true vaccine: does not come from a live/dead culture, does not provide immunity and does not prevent the transfer to others. Note that many people who have taken the vaccine are still getting Covid and dying from Covid and the vaccine.
 
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No I don't think small children should get it. Where in the hell did that come from? People that have gotten the vaccine are dying at a .ooo3 or so rate. Better chance of dying from a car accident today. You are talking wild ass numbers. There is so much bad info being passed for political reasons.
 
1 %….I love this argument. Take 100 people you know and like and pick one to die. Go ahead. Maybe it ends up being a grand parent or possibly a sibling, but let’s go ahead and undermine the potential deaths of millions of people due to 1% fatality rate.

Take 3.3 million people out of 330 million Americans and see what it does to the economy. I’m guessing it’s worse than the lockdown was. Take 70 million out of 7 billion in the world economy and let’s see how that plays out.

The pandemic has and will have far reaching negative health, economic, and social impacts that we probably won’t fully understand for years to come, but let’s go ahead and undermine the vaccine and let’s give everyone a choice because it is “their bodies”. What a bunch of horse crap? Get the vaccine and be a responsible member of society.
Question, do you believe the United States should require all illegal persons caught sneaking across the boarder to be vaccinated?
 
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Ya do know that people that are fully vaccinated get covid? Also those that are fully vaccinated that get covid can still die from covid. Those that are fully vaccinated and get covid die from covid at a higher percentage rate than those that are not vaccinated.

A link to your source for this information would be nice.

Here's what my sources say:

HEALTH NEWS​


The researchers also found that fully and partially vaccinated people who still developed COVID-19 were more likely to have milder illnesses compared to those who were unvaccinated. On average, vaccinated people who got COVID-19 spent about 6 fewer days feeling sick and 2 fewer days sick in bed. Compared to unvaccinated people, those who had one or both doses of the shots also had a up to a 66 percent lower chance of developing symptoms like fever and chills.
Other studies have found that vaccinated people who contract the coronavirus have lower viral loadsTrusted Source. As a result, they’re less likely to pass the virus to other people.
 
If it such a great cure why didn’t they give it to Donald Trump? He was hospitalized and not given a horse dewormer. My friend who died of Covid was also not given this miracle cure…I wonder why? At least you won’t get worms! I’d double mask it and socially distance if I were you just in case you are wrong. In the meantime please quit posting these conspiracy theories.
I haven’t worried about Covid from the beginning and I still maintain an active lifestyle and I never wear a mask, as they do more harm than good. I’ve been trying to catch it but it seems impossible. Stay healthy, stay active and stay away from all forms of government control and media sources supporting this false narrative. If you want to protect yourself then do it but don’t rely on a “vaccine” to do it for you. Take a common sense approach and don’t be a control Nazi. You want see facts, take a look at what is happening now in India and red states. Not one of these so called “vaccines” have been authorized by the FDA and eventually they will do more harm than good.
 
I haven’t worried about Covid from the beginning and I still maintain an active lifestyle and I never wear a mask, as they do more harm than good. I’ve been trying to catch it but it seems impossible. Stay healthy, stay active and stay away from all forms of government control and media sources supporting this false narrative. If you want to protect yourself then do it but don’t rely on a “vaccine” to do it for you. Take a common sense approach and don’t be a control Nazi. You want see facts, take a look at what is happening now in India and red states.

You probably are naturally immune to it like many people are. Good for you.

I also have two friends my age that died from it and another that damn near did. Healthy people in their 40’s with zero health problems or underlying conditions.

Like I said, this shit was developed in a lab. It’s why it doesn’t act like other viruses seen before. But you telling people not to get the vaccine is the exact same thing as them telling you to do it. Somehow both sides aren’t seeing that.
 
You probably are naturally immune to it like many people are. Good for you.

I also have two friends my age that died from it and another that damn near did. Healthy people in their 40’s with zero health problems or underlying conditions.

Like I said, this shit was developed in a lab. It’s why it doesn’t act like other viruses seen before. But you telling people not to get the vaccine is the exact same thing as them telling you to do it. Somehow both sides aren’t seeing that.
What I’m saying g is early intervention is key. Studies show early intervention with combo therapy including Ivermectin and HCQ work. I doubt this was done for your friends and I’m terribly sorry to hear that. Covid can be deadly but there is not much difference between it and the common flu. Injecting the Covid spike proteins into your cells is far more dangerous and with little benefit Vs a common sense approach. If you are worried about catching it start taking Ivermectin or HCQ as a preventative. Much cheaper, much safer and more effective. What do you have to lose Vs an unproven, potentially dangerous so called vaccine (no immunity, still can transfer to others). It’s all about the money and more government control.
 
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What I’m saying g is early intervention is key. Studies show early intervention with combo therapy including Ivermectin and HCQ work. I doubt this was done for your friends and I’m terribly sorry to hear that. Covid can be deadly but there is not much difference between it and the common flu. Injecting the Covid spike proteins into your cells is far more dangerous and with little benefit Vs a common sense approach. If you are worried about catching it start taking Ivermectin or HCQ as a preventative. Much cheaper, much safer and more effective. What do you have to lose Vs an unproven, potentially dangerous so called vaccine (no immunity, still can transfer to others). It’s all about the money and more government control.
I don't buy into the government control narrative one bit. Unless we can agree that both sides of the aisle are working together on that front. That would make one thing that they work together on.

As for my friends, one of them tested positive with no symptoms because his daughter tested positive. They started treatment on him once he showed symptoms and the things you listed didn't take. I know you feel confident that you have the solution to it, but you don't.

And I know about the immunity and transfer numbers on the vaccine. I also know the case and death numbers since it became available. I've already had the vaccine, so my opinion on it doesn't matter because it's done on me. I'm just thankful that enough people did it to get the numbers at a level where we can ditch the stupid masks and get back to normal. If no one took it, we would be right where we were six months ago.
 
I don't buy into the government control narrative one bit. Unless we can agree that both sides of the aisle are working together on that front. That would make one thing that they work together on.

As for my friends, one of them tested positive with no symptoms because his daughter tested positive. They started treatment on him once he showed symptoms and the things you listed didn't take. I know you feel confident that you have the solution to it, but you don't.

And I know about the immunity and transfer numbers on the vaccine. I also know the case and death numbers since it became available. I've already had the vaccine, so my opinion on it doesn't matter because it's done on me. I'm just thankful that enough people did it to get the numbers at a level where we can ditch the stupid masks and get back to normal. If no one took it, we would be right where we were six months ago.
Yes, both sides are working against us and who are the winners and losers. Small business, the backbone of our economy Vs big box stores. The rich are getting richer and the middle class is dissolving. How did that work out for China, they are enemy number one and most all academia and politicians have been bought off by Chinese money and big Pharma. People have forgone their freedoms over a what, a disease that has a natural cure rate of 99%.

People develop natural immunity and that’s why the numbers are down in conjunction with less testing. Case mortality has dropped significantly. Also, don’t buy in to these variants and mutations tend to be less deadly. In fact case mortality for the Delta variant is 0.08%, prob less if more infections were reported. This is less than the common flu.
 
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If you are vaccinated or have recovered form covid, why do you care if others are vaccinated? It’s their choice and it doesn’t affect you. whether you like it or not, recovered people have long term immunity.
 
There are a hundred other things the left and right could work together on to increase their wealth without killing hundreds of thousands of citizens. You think this is the one where they finally were like “whoa, Nancy - this is the one. Let’s kill our people and cause a global pandemic to pad our pockets slightly more because it will NEVER get out.” “You got it, Mitch.” This is one of the stupidest takes I’ve ever seen on this board and that’s saying a whole ****ing lot.
 
Yes, both sides are working against us and who are the winners and losers. Small business, the backbone of our economy Vs big box stores. The rich are getting richer and the middle class is dissolving. How did that work out for China, they are enemy number one and most all academia and politicians have been bought off by Chinese money and big Pharma. People have forgone their freedoms over a what, a disease that has a natural cure rate of 99%.

People develop natural immunity and that’s why the numbers are down in conjunction with less testing. Case mortality has dropped significantly. Also, don’t buy in to these variants and mutations tend to be less deadly. In fact case mortality for the Delta variant is 0.08%, prob less if more infections were reported. This is less than the common flu.

To accept that, I would also need to accept that Trump and his administration were in on it. Would also need to accept that governors in red and blue states are all in on it as well.

I hate government on both sides of the aisle. Have said many times the only way out of this shit is for a viable third party to emerge and bust up the current arrangement. But I can’t accept that the government (whoever that is) is working together to destroy small business and prop up big box stores.

And the middle class has been dissolving for a few decades now.
 
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To accept that, I would also need to accept that Trump and his administration were in on it. Would also need to accept that governors in red and blue states are all in on it as well.

I hate government on both sides of the aisle. Have said many times the only way out of this shit is for a viable third party to emerge and bust up the current arrangement. But I can’t accept that the government (whoever that is) is working together to destroy small business and prop up big box stores.

And the middle class has been dissolving for a few decades now.

And to confirm that I am losing my mind, I will reply to myself.

I think the actions of these corrupt and incompetent politicians has damn near destroyed this country. I just don’t give them any credit for doing it on purpose because that would take skill, thoughtfulness and organization.
 
To accept that, I would also need to accept that Trump and his administration were in on it. Would also need to accept that governors in red and blue states are all in on it as well.

I hate government on both sides of the aisle. Have said many times the only way out of this shit is for a viable third party to emerge and bust up the current arrangement. But I can’t accept that the government (whoever that is) is working together to destroy small business and prop up big box stores.

And the middle class has been dissolving for a few decades now.
I so believe Trump was mislead by those around him and he allowed Fauci and others to lead the way on lockdowns. Huge mistake.
 
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And to confirm that I am losing my mind, I will reply to myself.

I think the actions of these corrupt and incompetent politicians has damn near destroyed this country. I just don’t give them any credit for doing it on purpose because that would take skill, thoughtfulness and organization.
The great reset has been very effective and well thought out by globalist and the elite. They win in this by suppressing information and controlled populist (depopulation). A long time coming and Trump was a speed bump and a lighting rod for awareness.
 
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The great reset has been very effective and well thought out by globalist and the elite. They win in this by suppressing information and controlled populist (depopulation). A long time coming and Trump was a speed bump and a lighting rod for awareness.

Yeah. So politicians have always wanted more and more power and suppressing information has been the goal of political leaders since the beginning of time.

You give these motherfvckers around the world way too much credit. I probably would as well if I had a Facebook account. Regardless, I will agree that politicians try very hard to do what you listed out. And the state run media we currently have sure gives a huge advantage to one political party over the other. That’s about as far as I will go.

So anyway, I hope all of you do whatever you want in regards to the vaccine. It is still a somewhat relatively free country and I support the rights of the individual. So don’t tread on us and give us liberty or give us death and come and take it and whatnot.
 
You try to justify not getting vaccinated by saying you have friends who had multiple days of flu like symptoms from the vaccination. I think this is some bullshit. Everything I have read on the vaccines is one day max on reactions. I know one person who had terrible reaction to the vaccine, for one day.

My opinion is you made a bad decision, played with fire, and mostly got away with it.

But it's America, so I celebrate your right to make bad decisions.
Feels too soon.
 
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The decision to get the vaccine with respect to your own body is fine, but this isn't a vacuum. You're still the vehicle for spreading this communicable disease that we're all tired of.
 
The decision to get the vaccine with respect to your own body is fine, but this isn't a vacuum. You're still the vehicle for spreading this communicable disease that we're all tired of.
If you are vaccinated who might he be spreading it?
 
I’ve read that when a virus mutates it tries to 1. make it easier to spread and 2. make itself less lethal to the host. Is their any truth to this? It makes sense that a virus would want its host to stay alive because a dead host does a terrible job spreading a virus.
 
You try to justify not getting vaccinated by saying you have friends who had multiple days of flu like symptoms from the vaccination. I think this is some bullshit. Everything I have read on the vaccines is one day max on reactions. I know one person who had terrible reaction to the vaccine, for one day.

My opinion is you made a bad decision, played with fire, and mostly got away with it.

But it's America, so I celebrate your right to make bad decisions.
I had 20% of my direct reports out 3+ days with strong flu symptoms (102+ fever, aches, headache) one of which was hospitalized after the vaccine. This is completely anecdotal and probably not representative of the general populace but those vaccines hit my team hard. I only got a slight headache from the second shot, but Covid didn’t hit me hard either. In hindsight I probably shouldn’t have gotten the mRNA one before I had a test for CHEK2 which we found runs in my family (grandfather and aunt died of it, cousin confirmed she has it.)

One common factor though besides working for me is that all that got sick were not healthy. Overweight, out of shape, one immunosuppressed. The latter being the one who was hospitalized. If they had gotten Covid it would have been way worse most likely. Only one took it as a sign to get off his ass and back in shape.

If you are unhealthy you are probably going to have a shit time with the vaccine, but it’s better than the grave. If you want to make sure you don’t have a bad reaction, get Vit D, exercise, stay hydrated. If you are already healthy, then just weigh the risks and make your own decision.
 
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I’ve read that when a virus mutates it tries to 1. make it easier to spread and 2. make itself less lethal to the host. Is their any truth to this? It makes sense that a virus would want its host to stay alive because a dead host does a terrible job spreading a virus.
This is how pretty much every virus in history has worked. Killing the host means killing your means of replicating and spreading. It’s why things like Ebola are easily contained. When people start dying humans make adjustments.

Take the (in)famous delta variant everyone is freaking out about on the news. They tell you 60% of new cases are Delta, but they aren’t telling you that cases are still way down and deaths are way down, or how many are dying from the delta variant, because the facts there wouldn’t scare people into clicking the articles.

One thing for some reason they also never mention but is why the suddenly push for removing mask mandates, is that they want vaccinated people to get the variants. Helps build T-Cell response, where the mRNA vaccines only do antibody generation. T-cell is the first line of defense and why kids and younger folks have little to zero problem with COVID. Antibodies are close to last line of defense before going scorched earth. So if you have active antibodies and get exposed to a variant, it won’t spread fast and your t-cells will kick the shit out of it, and be amped up and ready for the next round. The goal being make this like every other coronavirus, just another common cold no matter how it mutates.
 
What I’m saying g is early intervention is key. Studies show early intervention with combo therapy including Ivermectin and HCQ work. I doubt this was done for your friends and I’m terribly sorry to hear that. Covid can be deadly but there is not much difference between it and the common flu. Injecting the Covid spike proteins into your cells is far more dangerous and with little benefit Vs a common sense approach. If you are worried about catching it start taking Ivermectin or HCQ as a preventative. Much cheaper, much safer and more effective. What do you have to lose Vs an unproven, potentially dangerous so called vaccine (no immunity, still can transfer to others). It’s all about the money and more government control.
Frontline Doctors are the ones I trust.

These guys are recommending Ivermectin and Hyroxychloriquin as a proactive way to stop Covid. COVID IS TREATABLE if caught early. Why are Big tech and Government scrubbing all papers outlining options for people to take medications to cure the disease once diagnosed (if caught early)? Instead, the only option our government advises is to send someone home and wait for two weeks until you either fight it, hospitalized by it, or die from it while spending all efforts on vaccines only. Not a single course of action was given to me after I was diagnosed except to go home and quarantine. NOTHING else. And that is apparently the standard of care offered by the government.

This is NOT a tin hat conspiracy theory. There ARE ways outside of a vaccine to treat Covid and reach herd immunity (which we've already met). Why are the government and big tech blocking information? You want some proof. Here you go:

Coming from a fellow Aggie, Dr Peter McCullough testifying to Texas Senate: link
As he states, "you can't beat natural immunity. Complete and durable immunity."

Ivermectin Studies:
Initial Hypothesis: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124461v2
Proof of Hypothesis: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v1 - See table 4
Ivermectin Metadata study: https://osf.io/wx3zn/
Website with compilation of data for Ivermectin: https://ivmmeta.com/

HCQ Studies:
Website with compilation of data for Hydroxychloroquine: www.hcqmeta.com

I've got a lot more to say about the MRA vaccine is a message that targets a spike protein that we know causes problems (spike proteins are virulous factors to the virus and why some people have issues with vaccine). Happy to have that debate on another thread.
 
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