people don’t believe what they’re told by the media and this administration…and for good reason.
For the Ags taking ivermectin as a Covid preventative:
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I sincerely appreciate the concern many of you have for my health, insisting that I get the vaccine to avoid dying.
I am touched by your love.
You have such unique and moving ways to show you care.
I'm certain that many of you serve as motivational speakers.
Thank you.
I am touched by your love.
You have such unique and moving ways to show you care.
I'm certain that many of you serve as motivational speakers.
Thank you.
Just no. You guys are anti CDC, Mayo Clinic, WHO, and any independent study we could post and most hospitals (see other threads for which are real intensive care stats). You quote one off Twitter version of stats. It’s politicized nonsense. You guys are a tiny, loud group.
Funny, the tiny loud group on AY says it’s a tiny loud group. Surely it’s only on AY. Again, trust the CDC and WHO. Double mask and mask youre two year old.
The CDC's data shows that 99.999% of Americans under 18 are *not* hospitalized for COVID.
That goes for 99.995% of adults 18 to 49; 99.993% age 50 to 64; and 99.99% of seniors.
Wow! I trust the CDC!
That goes for 99.995% of adults 18 to 49; 99.993% age 50 to 64; and 99.99% of seniors.
Wow! I trust the CDC!
I've tried to stay away from these discussions because I have a daughter refusing to take the vax but all I can say is I'd hate to be lying on the table with a tube down my throat knowing that a simple shot I didn't take may have prevented this. Watching someone die while they are unable to breathe is something you will never forget. Plus it may start costing folks money.
www.healthsystemtracker.org
Most private insurers are no longer waiving cost-sharing for COVID-19 treatment - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
Federal law requires all private insurance plans to cover the entire cost associated with approved COVID-19 testing so long as the test is deemed medically appropriate. Additionally, the U.S. government pre-paid for COVID-19 vaccines and required COVID-19 vaccines be made available at no...
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However you can't help yourself and you feel compelled to add your pointless comments. I have a solution.
I've tried to stay away from these discussions because I have a daughter refusing to take the vax but all I can say is I'd hate to be lying on the table with a tube down my throat knowing that a simple shot I didn't take may have prevented this. Watching someone die while they are unable to breathe is something you will never forget. Plus it may start costing folks money.
Most private insurers are no longer waiving cost-sharing for COVID-19 treatment - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
Federal law requires all private insurance plans to cover the entire cost associated with approved COVID-19 testing so long as the test is deemed medically appropriate. Additionally, the U.S. government pre-paid for COVID-19 vaccines and required COVID-19 vaccines be made available at no...
Excellent.
The government will guarantee that uninsured individuals are provided with full health care for any ailment including COVID, except if they were not vaccinated.
And fully insured individuals may get to help pay for uninsured individuals health care including all COVID related treatments because the uninsured got a vaccine and received $100 to do so, and were also entered in a lottery where they could win millions of dollars.
And as a fully insured individuals that is paying for his personal insurance coverage, I may not be covered if I don’t get a vaccine that didn’t exist a year ago.
I am truly blessed with this opportunity.
Considering the documented instances where CDC, WHO, etc have been caught outright lying and flip-flopping based on no data whatsoever I find your adherence to their positions fascinating.
I have opinions but zero expertise. I did just read an outstanding interview with Ben Neuman who is Chief Virologist at our Global Health Research Complex. Definitely a credible source. I apologize if someone else has already posted this. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...SJ6-CqzxGgDclgtsM0QxREZl9Y1djdGE9NSzb3nVHzBHs
I have a niece who is an MD. She is a blooming idiot about a ton of things but you won't win an argument with her about vaccines unless your level of science is on a par with hers. She's a high risk OB/Gyn doc who says pregnant women should be at the front of the line to get the vaccine, mainly due to the high death rate of pregnant women with Covid. I tried arguing with her just to play Devil's Advocate and came off sounding like a dumb ass, which isn't hard BTW.
Yep. A doctor says the non doctors don’t know what they are talking about. Same thing as the rest. But we have these newly minted MDs on here to help us, so we are saved
Serious question for LSA and all the others pushing the vaccine so ardently.
Why do you want so badly for ME to get the vaccine?
What are the benefits for you if I do get the vaccine? It won't eradicate the disease.
AGAIN - Why do you want so badly for ME to get the vaccine?
Anecdotally (because it's been pointed out numerous times on this board that anyone who decides not to get the vaccine is because they are relying on anecdotal evidence) every case of COVID is different. So in anecdotal reasoning (since I am not allowed to use facts), if I get the vaccine and then get COVID, IT MAY NOT BE AS BAD as it would have been if I did not get the vaccine but contracted COVID. But also, I may have only had a mild case anyway. No one knows. Anecdotally, of course.
So, other than the government and all the government sponsored agencies telling us that we must get vaccinated in order to defeat this pandemic, although the government's anecdotal evidence is contrary, why do you so desperately need ME to get this vaccine?
I seriously want to know.
Why do you want so badly for ME to get the vaccine?
- Many of you have a deep dislike for everything I believe, so in extension have a dislike for me.
- If YOU have had the vaccine #1, #2 and a booster, it doesn't keep YOU from getting COVID.
- If YOU have had the vaccines it doesn't keep you from transmitting COVID.
- IF I get the vaccine #1, #2 and a booster, it doesn't keep ME from getting COVID
- If I get the vaccine it doesn't prevent me from transmitting COVID to you.
What are the benefits for you if I do get the vaccine? It won't eradicate the disease.
AGAIN - Why do you want so badly for ME to get the vaccine?
Anecdotally (because it's been pointed out numerous times on this board that anyone who decides not to get the vaccine is because they are relying on anecdotal evidence) every case of COVID is different. So in anecdotal reasoning (since I am not allowed to use facts), if I get the vaccine and then get COVID, IT MAY NOT BE AS BAD as it would have been if I did not get the vaccine but contracted COVID. But also, I may have only had a mild case anyway. No one knows. Anecdotally, of course.
So, other than the government and all the government sponsored agencies telling us that we must get vaccinated in order to defeat this pandemic, although the government's anecdotal evidence is contrary, why do you so desperately need ME to get this vaccine?
I seriously want to know.
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It's in there nature to force their will upon others.
There are doctors that say masks are mostly useless, mask mandates are definitely useless and young people are at low risk with Covid infections. Also, you don’t have to be a doctor to look at stats. You don’t have to be a doctor to use those stats to manage you’re own risk. I’m not against the vaccine but arguing from a position of authority in a bipolar way is something you’re accusing people of doing but doing yourself.
There are varying degrees of efficacy of masks. While the solution should be to require the use of better masks (no gators or bandanas), many people suggest getting rid of them. They also seem to be the same people who insist on using the shittiest mask available
But here’s the thing there are thousands of doctors and researchers in the USA alone who have concerns about the potential long-term side effects of the vaccines, the manner in which they’ve been tested & rolled out, the efficacy of vaccines vs. natural immunity, the use or non-use of proven safe but off-label stuff like ivermectin, the use of masks (especially mandates), the lab-leak origin case, and a myriad of other issues with covid. Particularly in the communication with the legion examples of false or misleading statements. The perpetual flip-flops with no basis in data and on and on.
The verifiable examples of the CDC, WHO, both the Trump & Biden administrations, big tech/social media, Fauci, Hotez, politicians and media figures ignoring their own science, not adhering to their own rules, and basically pissing down our collective backs and swearing it’s rain have completely blown all credibility they might have had. They have nobody to blame for the lack of trust but themselves.
So tell me why it’s so absurd to listen to people who have all the expertise in the world and data behind them even when that data is counter to the approved narrative. Most of us on here are educated and intelligent enough to read studies and papers and dissect the statistics and know when we’ve been fed a load of bullshit.
Like I said, your insistence on clinging to the CDC & WHO as authoritative despite their documented and proven prevarications is fascinating.
Unless you are willing to provide a list of the thousands of doctors and researchers in the USA alone who have concerns about the potential long-term side effects of the vaccines, along with their residential address where they may be visited and set straight, then you're just throwing out anecdotal evidence.
Quit pretending you are educated, intelligent, and capable of analyzing data on your own.
Yes. Gaiters and bandanas are absolutely pointless and cloth masks are pretty close. These are not serious deterrents. At this point, though with the most recent CDC numbers showing the vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalization against delta variant along with the human immune system being 99% effective against hospitalization I would say outside of being in poorly ventilated rooms with at risk people logically it seems masks are almost statistically pointless at all. I’m not an expert™️ but highly masked places still have huge spikes in cases and less hospitalizations due to vaccine usage/prior infections/healthier population. So, why bother with masks at all? If someone wants to get the vaccine they should if they want to chance it they can make that call. I would argue most people are hospitalized due to bad health decisions they’ve made and saying we shouldn’t provide care to people who make bad decisions is a slippery slope. That’s not how medicine has been done for a long time.
Back to ivermectin lol. Again, if we really had a large cohort study of it one way or another we could put this to rest. We do not.
there’s one going on right now.
you are in the control group.
for the moment.
you are in the control group.
for the moment.
If you posted this list, they would immediately get to work trying to discredit everyone on it. Politics have become the de facto religion for many people, and they treat it with the same zeal as a religious fundamentalist. Even having a conversation is unacceptable, because the almighty has already spoken.
I use the word persuaded purposefully because I'm not any kind of expert. I'm open to data, all data. I'm afraid many are not because of their tribal conflicts surrounding this disease. In other words, I could be wrong. However...at this time I remain persuaded.
I first became intrigued by Dr. Pierre Kory's testimony before the Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs committee. His passionate support of ivermectin's efficacy was compelling to me. I'm linking his testimony through C-Span interestingly enough because Youtube censored the same testimony.
Dr. Kory
More recently, as of late July this year, data from Dehli shows a strong correlation in the reduction of both cases and deaths from Covid to the onset of including ivermectin's inclusion into the treatment protocol. I do understand the difference between correlation and causality, but I'm just supporting my opinion, not offering proof.
The correlation is obvious and undeniable.
As far as HCQ, my opinion has been influenced by Stephen M. Smith's ( Smith Center for Infectious Diseases & Urban Health, East Orange, New Jersey) study of covid patients on vents. HCQ/Zpak increased survivability by over 100%.
Stephen Smith
Then, of course, there was last year's study that was published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases that showing a 290% survival improvement for patients receiving early treatment of HCQ/Zpak.
IJID
Bottom line is this is a global pandemic. There are places on this earth where plentiful vaccines or cutting edge therapeutics such as Regeneron or antibody infusions will never be available. These therapies can be made available at a much more acceptable cost and may (will) save many lives.
I think it's possible the more wide acceptance of these therapies were stunted by political bias and greed (pharma).
Thank you. I’ll watch/read, when I have some time. I appreciate you taking the time to provide the informationI use the word persuaded purposefully because I'm not any kind of expert. I'm open to data, all data. I'm afraid many are not because of their tribal conflicts surrounding this disease. In other words, I could be wrong. However...at this time I remain persuaded.
I first became intrigued by Dr. Pierre Kory's testimony before the Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs committee. His passionate support of ivermectin's efficacy was compelling to me. I'm linking his testimony through C-Span interestingly enough because Youtube censored the same testimony.
Dr. Kory
More recently, as of late July this year, data from Dehli shows a strong correlation in the reduction of both cases and deaths from Covid to the onset of including ivermectin's inclusion into the treatment protocol. I do understand the difference between correlation and causality, but I'm just supporting my opinion, not offering proof.
The correlation is obvious and undeniable.
As far as HCQ, my opinion has been influenced by Stephen M. Smith's ( Smith Center for Infectious Diseases & Urban Health, East Orange, New Jersey) study of covid patients on vents. HCQ/Zpak increased survivability by over 100%.
Stephen Smith
Then, of course, there was last year's study that was published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases that showing a 290% survival improvement for patients receiving early treatment of HCQ/Zpak.
IJID
Bottom line is this is a global pandemic. There are places on this earth where plentiful vaccines or cutting edge therapeutics such as Regeneron or antibody infusions will never be available. These therapies can be made available at a much more acceptable cost and may (will) save many lives.
I think it's possible the more wide acceptance of these therapies were stunted by political bias and greed (pharma).
I believe the Dr. Kory video has been posted more than once on this board. It may have been during your sabbatical.
It is worth a view.
I have seen other similar videos of doctors sharing similar thoughts.
I doubt viewing these will change anyone's mind, one way or another. I mean everyone knows the docs in these videos are quacks, right?
You are not allowed to ask questions to our health masters peasant. Science does not allow questions
Wow...this is a very interesting senate hearing about various covid medical treatments from the experts. Sadly the guys who are screaming about science will not watch this. I took the vaccine but we should be open to all promising treatments.
I wonder what caused Youtube to censor Dr. Kory's testimony from their platform? I suppose they have a blue ribbon medical panel on staff that made that call...
What about the FDA? Sure they are in on this too, right? Its not a conspiracy, just a secret club you guys have where you have better information than us. Makes sense. Totally rational. Of course a pandemic could be solved at Tractor Supply. How did I miss this?
You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it
Look man, I tend to agree with your position moreso than not regarding the vaccine. But you’re being equally obtuse by not considering some of the other options that have been presented by knowledgeable doctors and scientists. And simply dismissing people’s vaccine hesitancy (which isn’t totally invalid) with wisecracks is NOT going to suddenly make people see the light.
Where is this info coming from? My kids had Covid in December and just had antibody tests and they still have high counts.
So that tweet from the FDA that appears to be written by someone's 13 year old daughter is supposed to be persuasive?
See my response to Tom above, rebut the things I posted with well thought out responses. I'm truly interested.
Respond to my argument with a mean tweet and all you do is diminish your own credibility
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