For the Ags taking ivermectin as a Covid preventative:
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I bet you were also all on board last year that there was no way this shit came out of the Wuhan lab because of the bullshit statement manufactured by proponents of gain of function research too.
All of that despite overwhelming evidence pointing towards that being the most likely source.
Because the news said so!
I bet you were also all on board last year that there was no way this shit came out of the Wuhan lab because of the bullshit statement manufactured by proponents of gain of function research too.
All of that despite overwhelming evidence pointing towards that being the most likely source.
Because the news said so!
There's a greater risk of you dying from a stroke or heart attack rage posting than of serious illness from covid vaxx shot.
There are plenty of other side effects than death. But yes, there's tons of riskier shit we do and consume everyday.
And there's an even greater risk of heart attack if you take the stupid untested Vaccine.
Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis after COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
Clinical considerations for myocarditis and pericarditis after receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines among adolescents and young adults.
www.cdc.gov
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Could we argue about something fresh...like if the election was stolen?
why do you insist on posting that there is "the...vaccine", when there are three? If you don't trust mRNA, why not opt for the J&J vaccine?
OK, how about a new one for you since I like you so much.
CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
The CDC data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in July in Massachusetts.
If you have a sample of highly vaccinated people, of course you're going to have a high percentage of infected people vaccinated. That's common sense. No one is claiming that the vaccineS are 100% effective, which is why CDC is pushing people to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity. You know all of thisOK, how about a new one for you since I like you so much.
CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
The CDC data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in July in Massachusetts.www.cnbc.com
One thing I take issue with is the failure by the CDC to account for naturally acquired immunity. There are a number of studies showing natural immunity if substantially better protection than the vaccines.
Lol, that article is a banner example of how effective vaccines are, so yeah, great link man. Vaccines are to guard against hospitalization and death above all. And the Provincetown outbreak was a fantastic example of that effectiveness in real time. Tons of ppl crammed into interior places and next to 0 hospitalizations.OK, how about a new one for you since I like you so much.
CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
The CDC data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in July in Massachusetts.
Natural immunity has been shown to wear off much faster than the vaxx antibody rates and be next to worthless against the delta strain.
Mrna vaccine technology has been in the works for a very long time. Nothing is risk free, but the Mrna technologies and the resulting vaccines are the miracles we needed...when we needed them. I'm certain I know people who are alive today because they are vaccinated. For the record I'm vaccinated. I can't wait to see what other diseases Mrna can help us treat.
That said, I'm persuaded that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have theraputic roles in this battle. Monoclonal AB's & Regeneron in front line roles as well. No doubt I'm leaving out other notable treatments.
I'm for kicking covid's ass before I lose a loved one to it, I don't care much about anything else.
That said, I'm persuaded that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have theraputic roles in this battle. Monoclonal AB's & Regeneron in front line roles as well. No doubt I'm leaving out other notable treatments.
I'm for kicking covid's ass before I lose a loved one to it, I don't care much about anything else.
Absolutely false.
Natural immunity has been proven better in the Israeli study, Cleveland Clinic study, and a report from Johns Hopkins. It's actually proven more resistant to Delta.
I personally had covid right after Thanksgiving 2020 (test 11/30/2020) and per testing on 8/12/2021 still have antibodies. I've been repeatedly exposed in close contact since with 0 reinfection. Same for the wife.
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How do you post a pic? I have a regimen for you, amazing that you still can’t paste a pic in a message on here.
Moderna has a long history of promising to change the world, and failing to deliver (mostly due to safety concerns). They abandoned all their early projects and shifted to vaccines because multi dose treatments proved to be too toxic. Maybe they have solved all their nanoparticle issues, but even the current vaccines have been shown to be highly inflammatory in mice. I think it's obvious that they are safe for most people, but long term issues haven't been studied, and people with autoimmune conditions are likely to be at higher risk for developing side effects. Combine that with the fact that their efficacy numbers keep falling and it's pretty clear that people will need repeated injections, and I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to choose their risk - even if you disagree with it.
I agree with much of what you said. Will you please provide links to what persuaded you that " ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have theraputic roles in this battle"?
They are allowed to choose their risk and others/organizations are allowed to say that they aren't allowed, if they choose not to vaccinate. Again, we have a vaccine that doesn't use mRNA
edit to add another note - Moderna changed the world.
You're starting to win me over, but I'm still surprised you're such a fan of Trump's vaccines.
My question is does it make any sense? It's now obvious that vaccinated people still transmit the virus (this article does a good job of explaining why), so the decision comes down to one of personal protection. Why should people be denied access to locations and services (to include their job or school in some cases) because of a decision they make about their personal health? We don't do this for any other condition that I'm aware of.
You guys debating LSA need to show respect.I mean he was so right about Russian collusion.
For a Silver Member you sure ask for a lot...
Yeah, I will, can't now. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they are preferable to vaccines.
Bullshit.... show me that data. I've heard the exact opposite. In fact the vaccinated people are the ones that are creating the variants....
We are well past herd immunity.... what ever happened to flatten the curve? This crap just keeps getting worse and worse. They are now denying entry to restaurants or even grocery stores in certain places for people who refuse to inject a test drug into their system.
I'm all for people getting the vaccine... I'm also all for people having a choice and not having idiots like Biden tell me that I have to have a vaccination. Go do your thing - I'll do mine.
New study out of the UK.
https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coro...ction-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf
The results from this large community surveillance study show that vaccination with two doses of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 still significantly reduces the risk of new PCR-positive SARS-CoV-2 infections. However, whereas the two vaccines provided similar benefits when Alpha was dominant, benefits from two ChAdOx1 doses are reduced with Delta more than two BNT162b2 doses, although two ChAdOx1 doses still provide similar protection to that from previous natural infection. Benefits from both vaccines are numerically greater against PCR-positives with versus without self-reported symptoms and high versus low viral burden PCR-positives, but the difference in effectiveness is smaller with Delta for both vaccines.
Translation- vaccines are similar in protection to natural immunity vs. Delta. Other studies have natural immunity as being a lot stronger.
desantis’s biggest contributor has invested heavily in regeneron, so you shouldn’t have to wait much longer.
Did you just pull this out of your ass? The vaccine and antibodies from Alpha are both less effective against Delta but still provide protection. If you've had Delta though that protection far exceeds the vaccine. While natural immunity wears off over time it is typical far superior in the short term unless we're talking about somebody immunocompromised.
Also depends on which vaccine - J&J is like 30% against Delta.
EDIT: Just to be clear there is evidence of a huge benefit to getting a shot after previous infection, hybrid immunity. Not arguing with that.
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The government that is on the verge of mandating the vaccine is the same government that administered Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to US Troops and citizens of countries globally for treatment and prevention of malaria, parasites and other ailments for most of the past 40 years. Yet when it was discovered there was success in treating COVID with these two drugs the CDC issued warnings these drugs were experimental, untested and extremely unsafe for humans.
AND I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE FRIENDS SAVED BY RECEIVING THESE DRUGS WHEN NOTHING ELSE WORKED.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.
AND FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Ivermectin cost less than an average of 34 cents a dose. Big Pharma doesn’t make any real money.
On the “vaccines” they make piles of money.
I have had one of the top ER doctors in the state look me in the eyes and tell me to not take the COVID vaccines.
I have several friends that are nurses who have been on the front lines fighting this disease for the past 18 months tell me to not take the vaccine. They aren’t, and will likely lose their jobs.
If you truly believe in the vaccine, I firmly believe you should get as many as necessary to become “fully vaccinated”.
And you should believe you are protected, even though you can still get the disease, carry the disease, and transmit the disease, while wearing a mask and using sanitizer, while not being around anyone that is not vaccinated.
AND I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE FRIENDS SAVED BY RECEIVING THESE DRUGS WHEN NOTHING ELSE WORKED.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.
AND FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Ivermectin cost less than an average of 34 cents a dose. Big Pharma doesn’t make any real money.
On the “vaccines” they make piles of money.
I have had one of the top ER doctors in the state look me in the eyes and tell me to not take the COVID vaccines.
I have several friends that are nurses who have been on the front lines fighting this disease for the past 18 months tell me to not take the vaccine. They aren’t, and will likely lose their jobs.
If you truly believe in the vaccine, I firmly believe you should get as many as necessary to become “fully vaccinated”.
And you should believe you are protected, even though you can still get the disease, carry the disease, and transmit the disease, while wearing a mask and using sanitizer, while not being around anyone that is not vaccinated.
You know this whole line of attack has been completely debunked, right?
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