For the Ags taking ivermectin as a Covid preventative:

[Aggie98nHouston]

More than 150 employees resign or are fired from Houston hospital system after refusing to get vaccinated

Houston Methodist was one of the nation’s first health systems to impose a coronavirus vaccine mandate.

www.texastribune.org

This was at Houston Methodist. Alone.

Surprised you were not up to date on this.

See - when you put the article up it’s meaningful. It’s 150 out of 25,000 employees.

So about .6%. Sounds a little bit less serious of an issue and definitely brings options 1 and 2 way more into play than you meant to have them. You were trying to mask the percentage by saying 150 people. It was disingenuous. I called you out. You threw a fit.

 

[slgilmore]

Oh, so you posted your personal success story to just tell everyone about a useless correlation then? Any other useless information you’d like to share?

Or is it more likely you said you and lots of others were cured because you wanted people to believe this drug actually cured COVID?

You’re just not very smart. This entire thread is about whether or not ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid. You are on a crusade to downplay the effectiveness of this drug for whatever misguided and personal reason. You’re trying to shame anyone that chooses not to take the vaccine in favor of other DR. RECOMMENDED treatments. You do realize Drs. are recommending ivermectin, right? This is not some conspiratorial drug that Trump supporters dreamed up. I don’t give a shit what people believe about drugs their drs. recommend. They can take them or not. My Dr. Rx ivermectin. I assume the man knows what he’s doing. He’s an effing dr. You’re not, right? The drug worked for me. He prescribed it to me because he has data that suggests it has worked for other people. Are you saying I got well in spite of following my Drs. guidance and recommendation? WTF is your point? The treatment worked. Why are you throwing a hissy fit about it? You are wrong, as usual. Move along you dolt.

 

[Majic8Ball]

See - when you put the article up it’s meaningful. It’s 150 out of 25,000 employees.

So about .6%. Sounds a little bit less serious of an issue and definitely brings options 1 and 2 way more into play than you meant to have them. You were trying to mask the percentage by saying 150 people. It was disingenuous. I called you out. You threw a fit.

He did put the article up. You attacked it as 150 in millions. Now it’s 150 in 25000 and you’re somehow claiming a victory?

 

[Reckless75]

See - when you put the article up it’s meaningful. It’s 150 out of 25,000 employees.

So about .6%. Sounds a little bit less serious of an issue and definitely brings options 1 and 2 way more into play than you meant to have them. You were trying to mask the percentage by saying 150 people. It was disingenuous. I called you out. You threw a fit.

You do realize that many more than the 150 at Houston Methodist were against getting the vaccine but were forced to or they would have lost their jobs as well. Right?

 

[RogueAggie]

He did put the article up. You attacked it as 150 in millions. Now it’s 150 in 25000 and you’re somehow claiming a victory?

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

You do realize that many more than the 150 at Houston Methodist were against getting the vaccine but were forced to or they would have lost their jobs as well. Right?

Article said 25 of those people.

Do you not think .6% of people are so political now they make choices based solely on that?

 

[Aggie98nHouston]

You’re just not very smart. This entire thread is about whether or not ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid. You are on a crusade to downplay the effectiveness of this drug for whatever misguided and personal reason. You’re trying to shame anyone that chooses not to take the vaccine in favor of other DR. RECOMMENDED treatments. You do realize Drs. are recommending ivermectin, right? This is not some conspiratorial drug that Trump supporters dreamed up. I don’t give a shit what people believe about drugs their drs. recommend. They can take them or not. My Dr. Rx ivermectin. I assume the man knows what he’s doing. He’s an effing dr. You’re not, right? The drug worked for me. He prescribed it to me because he has data that suggests it has worked for other people. Are you saying I got well in spite of following my Drs. guidance and recommendation? WTF is your point? The treatment worked. Why are you throwing a hissy fit about it? You are wrong, as usual. Move along you dolt.

That’s all weird. I have no opinion on this drug much less a crusade and never pushed the vaccine. I said that in this thread responding to you.

All I said was it’s too easy to confuse correlation and causation. Which is why a case study (it worked on me or this one time at band camp) is not a useful data point.

 

[Big Bobby B]

See - when you put the article up it’s meaningful. It’s 150 out of 25,000 employees.

So about .6%. Sounds a little bit less serious of an issue and definitely brings options 1 and 2 way more into play than you meant to have them. You were trying to mask the percentage by saying 150 people. It was disingenuous. I called you out. You threw a fit.

.006 actually

 

[sigeast02]

Article said 25 of those people.

Do you not think .6% of people are so political now they make choices based solely on that?

Well dude, that’s significantly higher than the actual US Covid death rate and look how gotdamned political this entire thing is.

 

[Don Keyman]

I have done the research!


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Conclusions:​

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/

Authors' conclusions: Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.

 

[schmak01]

While I won't dispute a single thing you say I must point out the fact that it is all academic if you don't survive the initial infection.

Please get vaccinated, for those who care and depend on you.

Of course. The vaccine will increase your odds against getting hospitalized, currently, the subsequent infection will be mild if not asymptomatic, will get you set for a while. THen make sure you are out and about because even slight exposure with IgM antigens will help keep your body producing them and keep you from getting sick, kinda like teachers/nurses.

 

[schmak01]

Article said 25 of those people.

Do you not think .6% of people are so political now they make choices based solely on that?

That's kinda oversimplifying the issue. If those 150, out of it were 50 ED or ICU Nurses/Doctors, out of total staffing of 60-70, that's a HUGE problem. If its Janitorial staff, billing coders, or sterilization staff, not so much.

I'll tell you it's not the latter though.

 

[Big Bobby B]

Well dude, that’s significantly higher than the actual US Covid death rate and look how gotdamned political this entire thing is.

Except it isn’t .6%. It’s .006%
6 out of every 1,000 employees says no thanks I’m out. 994 out of every 1,000 got the jab. Think of it whatever you want but those are the numbers

 

[Reckless75]

Article said 25 of those people.

Do you not think .6% of people are so political now they make choices based solely on that?

No, that is not what the article said.

I didn’t realize you were one of the attorneys that has to have everything read to them in order to comprehend.

But to help you out, it indicated that 25 of the 178 who originally refused the vaccine did get it in order to keep their jobs. There were 153 that either resigned or were terminated because of the vaccine mandate.

So, initially there were 24,947 employees that complied with the vaccine mandate.

It would be idiotic to assume they all got the vaccine willingly. But you applying the narrative that indeed they were all willing participants, with no reservations is the way you people operate.

 

[Reckless75]

That's kinda oversimplifying the issue. If those 150, out of it were 50 ED or ICU Nurses/Doctors, out of total staffing of 60-70, that's a HUGE problem. If its Janitorial staff, billing coders, or sterilization staff, not so much.

I'll tell you it's not the latter though.

CNN had one of the Houston Methodist doctors on Sunday addressing the tremendous shortage of staff, specifically the icu nurses. Situation compounded significantly by the firing of 150 hospital personnel. (Nurses)

I have not seen a breakdown of the numbers on what areas the terminated came from.

 

[darterbury]

Surprised you were not up to date on this.

I'm not.

 

[piggyperch]

I have done the research!


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Conclusions:​

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/

Authors' conclusions: Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.

Haven’t we established that the “National Institute of Health” is a compromised source of information in that they are in bed with big pharma and only interested in promoting vaccine consumption? Actually, if you reread the article, it could just as well be talking about the vaccine itself. What a mess our self serving crappy government has created.

 

[CheekySchneider]

The Delta variant says Trump is still a threat to get reelected so we might need mail in voting again. That's it. Simple as that.

Or maybe you really do believe Biden is the most popular President in US history.

Which one is harder to believe?

Trump is politically dead. He had a new and different mystique that won him one election. One hit wonder. He will not get the following he needs to win another one. He showed his true hand as a shit posting politician over the last 4 years that only the die-hard weirdos could love.

Normal people aren’t into the low brow, constant bashing and self-affirming superiority when that’s all you offer.

Politicians that follow his mold can win localized elections in the south but that’s it.

 

[darterbury]

Trump is politically dead. He had a new and different mystique that won him one election. One hit wonder. He will not get the following he needs to win another one. He showed his true hand as a shit posting politician over the last 4 years that only the die-hard weirdos could love.

Normal people aren’t into the low brow, constant bashing and self-affirming superiority when that’s all you offer.

Politicians that follow his mold can win localized elections in the south but that’s it.

You think middle East peace and low unemployment for all is something only die hard weirdos could love?

 

[AggieInDC]

Trump is politically dead. He had a new and different mystique that won him one election. One hit wonder. He will not get the following he needs to win another one. He showed his true hand as a shit posting politician over the last 4 years that only the die-hard weirdos could love.

Normal people aren’t into the low brow, constant bashing and self-affirming superiority when that’s all you offer.

Politicians that follow his mold can win localized elections in the south but that’s it.

I'd argue that most of us on here having college degrees and a high percentage of advanced/professional degrees are less then norm than you'd think. And the "normal" people who are effectively blue-collar sorts very much are into the low brow, constant bashing. I said it in 2015/16 that a huge part of his appeal was the fact he was completely unashamed of attacking opponents in a manner that those folks understood.

And it ain't just the South. You been around the Midwest/Rust Belt before? That mentality is even more prevalent there.

 

[darterbury]

Chicky Schneider 😉

 

[bioaggie]

Highly unethical but funny.

 

[Reckless75]

Trump is politically dead. He had a new and different mystique that won him one election. One hit wonder. He will not get the following he needs to win another one. He showed his true hand as a shit posting politician over the last 4 years that only the die-hard weirdos could love.

Normal people aren’t into the low brow, constant bashing and self-affirming superiority when that’s all you offer.

Politicians that follow his mold can win localized elections in the south but that’s it.

The current President of the United States just surrendered to the Taliban and is having the terms of that surrender dictated to him.

There is no border security, except for keeping out Canadians.

If there is another Presidential election, it ultimately will not be decided at the ballot box.

 

[CheekySchneider]

Ivermectin was approved for human use in 1987. Whether or not it truly helps prevent or treat Covid, I personally would require more data to see it proven. However, no harm in taking it if in the form for which it was approved for human consumption (ie not available at Tractor Supply). Well, potentially some harm if using it instead of a vaccine and if later proven wrong about which one is or is not effective.

I would think there’s less health risk and for sure less maintenance and cost taking the vaccine compared to taking ivermectin.

Absolutely nothing happens when taking the vaccine (almost nothing).

 

[CheekySchneider]

The current President of the United States just surrendered to the Taliban and is having the terms of that surrender dictated to him.

There is no border security, except for keeping out Canadians.

If there is another Presidential election, it ultimately will not be decided at the ballot box.

Trump still doesn’t have the political clout he once did. And I see him having more of a cult following than a national appeal.

I don’t see Trump getting past the Republican primaries.

 

[darterbury]

The current President of the United States just surrendered to the Taliban and is having the terms of that surrender dictated to him.

There is no border security, except for keeping out Canadians.

If there is another Presidential election, it ultimately will not be decided at the ballot box.

The Taliban now is equipped with American uniforms and weapons. We have successfully supplied and armed the Taliban.

 

[pharm11]

So here is what I’m struggling with, if you want to take ivermectin for an off label use…fine take it. Why not get vaccinated and take ivermectin?

Bumping bc no one answered and I’m still curious

 

[darterbury]

Trump still doesn’t have the political clout he once did. And I see him having more of a cult following than a national appeal.

I don’t see Trump getting past the Republican primaries.

He brought more African American and Hispanic support to the GOP than they've ever had.

 

[Longneck 80]

Of course. The vaccine will increase your odds against getting hospitalized, currently, the subsequent infection will be mild if not asymptomatic, will get you set for a while. THen make sure you are out and about because even slight exposure with IgM antigens will help keep your body producing them and keep you from getting sick, kinda like teachers/nurses.

I'm sensitive because for the first time I know people who are in trouble. All unvaccinated, one on a vent, one just died, and 2 who won't answer texts. Pott's wife and TSD's childhood friend who just passed.

Just seems to me not getting vaccinated is Russian roulette. I don't want to control folks, but losing someone you care about is as bad as it gets.

Trump is politically dead. He had a new and different mystique that won him one election. One hit wonder. He will not get the following he needs to win another one. He showed his true hand as a shit posting politician over the last 4 years that only the die-hard weirdos could love.

Normal people aren’t into the low brow, constant bashing and self-affirming superiority when that’s all you offer.

Politicians that follow his mold can win localized elections in the south but that’s it.

You know I think you are right, for the reasons you said too.

I sure will miss his results though. I hate that he is such a loose cannon, we really need an stalwart American advocate as President.

 

[Longneck 80]

Bumping bc no one answered and I’m still curious

Answer? You should, no reason not to.

 

[CSAg03]

Bumping bc no one answered and I’m still curious

Pretty sure those taking ivermectin are doing so because they don’t want to take the vaccine.

 

[CheekySchneider]

I'd argue that most of us on here having college degrees and a high percentage of advanced/professional degrees are less then norm than you'd think. And the "normal" people who are effectively blue-collar sorts very much are into the low brow, constant bashing. I said it in 2015/16 that a huge part of his appeal was the fact he was completely unashamed of attacking opponents in a manner that those folks understood.

And it ain't just the South. You been around the Midwest/Rust Belt before? That mentality is even more prevalent there.

Right. Trump figured it out that it’s not about the politics but about bashing and making people feel good about themselves by affirming how great they are. It got him to POTUS. He went over the top with absurdities unbecoming of a POTUS in the subsequent 4 years that only and all who think he is great give him a pass.

The rest of society does not and dropped him. And I don’t think they’re going back.

 

[Majic8Ball]

Pretty sure those taking ivermectin are doing so because they don’t want to take the vaccine.

If I planned to get vaxxed id still take the ivermectin. Because why not?

 

[pharm11]

If I planned to get vaxxed id still take the ivermectin. Because why not?

So what is your hesitancy on getting the vaccine again? (Honest question no sarcasm intended)

 

[Reckless75]

Trump still doesn’t have the political clout he once did. And I see him having more of a cult following than a national appeal.

I don’t see Trump getting past the Republican primaries.

I don’t care who it is, as long as it’s not anyone associated with the current party in the WH, and has an interest in making America great again.

 

[Majic8Ball]

So what is your hesitancy on getting the vaccine again? (Honest question no sarcasm intended)

Only 18 months of testing can’t possibly tell the whole story on that.

 

[JackDaddyDallas]

This thread almost (ALMOST) makes me hope the Aggies have a terrible season. Because I’m not sure any of us deserve anything nice. You’re attacking your own kind on here. Nobody is changing their minds so why the mean spiritedness? Why the **** has this thread been allowed to go 11 pages? Look in the gd mirror people and stop this shit.

 

[Reckless75]

So what is your hesitancy on getting the vaccine again? (Honest question no sarcasm intended)

I don’t want to.

 

[pharm11]

Only 18 months of testing can’t possibly tell the whole story on that.

I’m sorry I honestly don’t follow… are you talking about side effects?

 

[Majic8Ball]

I’m sorry I honestly don’t follow… are you talking about side effects?

Yes