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Both of them suck. That's the truth. There is a way to lead. Trump was divisive. Biden is an idiot.

We can't do better than those two? Our system isn't producing the best options.
Trump inherited a very divided country. The right was really pissed off after Obama (thus Trump), but the media just never reported on it. I thought Biden at least would be more unifying. He’s been an utter failure at that as well.
 
Trump inherited a very divided country. The right was really pissed off after Obama (thus Trump), but the media just never reported on it. I thought Biden at least would be more unifying. He’s been an utter failure at that as well.
If you thought Biden was a unifier then you haven't watched him in the Senate. If you believe it you weren't very well informed.
 
Look, if you’re justifying Trump’s refusal to accept the election results because of this list, we aren’t likely to agree. I suspect a lot of independent voters won’t agree, either. The first 3 items on your list I could agree with. Most of the rest are the products of the wacko right wing conspiracy talking heads. Equating encouraging vaccines to a conspiracy against Trump is ironic, given that Trump did the right thing in pushing the research that developed the MRNA vaccines. How that got politicized will be the subject for historians to resolve.
My man, if you think any of that is a conspiracy theory then I can tell which network you’re glued to.
 
If you thought Biden was a unifier then you haven't watched him in the Senate. If you believe it you weren't very well informed.
Sorry KSig, but I’m extremely well informed and would be happy to brief you. I know exactly who Biden was and is, but if he simply played the moderate, I figured the tone would calm down.
 
The two extremes of our political spectrum are closer to each other than they are the middle. Neither extreme is good for America.
Average conservatives and even simply Trump voters are now accused of being racist, “right wingers” by the media. All 75 million of them. Funny thing is, Republicans positions haven’t changed much, but Democrats have gone woke socialist. What has changed the most is the media, who are mostly left of Mao.
 
Why does Kamala care more about the Ukrainian border than the American border? Why is she showing unity with foreign nations about their border being under siege but not our own?
Democrats are losing among minority voters. Hispanic and traditionally black voter are finally seeing liberal policies make little since for them. So . . . they need a new voting block. Illegal immigration fills that role
 
Sorry KSig, but I’m extremely well informed and would be happy to brief you. I know exactly who Biden was and is, but if he simply played the moderate, I figured the tone would calm down.
Biden, who was far from unifying in the Senate coupled with the far left in his cabinet means there was no chance they would be a calming force. Sprinkle in his utter stupidity and they inexperience of anything real world outside of a textbook and you have what you have now. Your second post was spot on. Politics have gone left in the past 40 years. Moderate dems are closer to their far left brethren who used to be shunned and ignored while republicans have shifted left as well causing the populist split off that is staying right where Reagan was. There isn't much difference between Reagan and Trump on policy, difference is in tone. Reagan would have done and did tax cuts to spark the economy. Reagan believed in closing the boarder and if not for lies from democrats to get amnesty in the 80s it could have happened. 40 year difference and the policy was almost identical. Tone, a hyper-biased media that runs lies and unidentified informants (which was probably no one) and there is your true difference in 40 years.
 
Biden, who was far from unifying in the Senate coupled with the far left in his cabinet means there was no chance they would be a calming force. Sprinkle in his utter stupidity and they inexperience of anything real world outside of a textbook and you have what you have now. Your second post was spot on. Politics have gone left in the past 40 years. Moderate dems are closer to their far left brethren who used to be shunned and ignored while republicans have shifted left as well causing the populist split off that is staying right where Reagan was. There isn't much difference between Reagan and Trump on policy, difference is in tone. Reagan would have done and did tax cuts to spark the economy. Reagan believed in closing the boarder and if not for lies from democrats to get amnesty in the 80s it could have happened. 40 year difference and the policy was almost identical. Tone, a hyper-biased media that runs lies and unidentified informants (which was probably no one) and there is your true difference in 40 years.
We really don’t disagree, I just wasn’t crazy about the approach.
 
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As bad as Biden is, it’s hard to unequivocally argue Trump was right. His policy towards NATO didn’t instill confidence in the US commitment to European allies. I think that was Putin’s attraction to Trump. I agree that Trump’s border policy, support for US energy independence, and corporate tax policies were all positives. His embrace of right wing wackos, his boastful self centered views, his personal attacks and divisive leadership style, and his unwillingness to accept the election outcomes were all things that will keep a lot of independent voters from voting for him.
What election have democrats accepted that they didn’t win in the past 20 years?
 
I guess I wasn’t aware it was the left telling us that. I heard that from medical professionals who were expressing an apolitical medical opinion. The statistics thus far seem to support the fact that vaccinated people represented ~ 10% of those hospitalized and < 5% of those who died from COVID. Bottom line, I don’t think anyone understood COVID early on, including Trump when he shutdown the economy. I don’t blame him, or anyone else. The whole world was learning as we went along. I’m grateful to everyone who developed the vaccines so we are now able to manage to keep surges from overwhelming hospitals. Now we just need more people to get vaccinated.
Nothing was A political about Covid. Nothing. From where it came from to today. Nothing has been apolitical
 
Dude no it doesn't.

Independents hate Trump. Independents hate Biden.

Our current political system caters to 20% on each far side and neglects the middle 60%.
I agree they hate Trump but not his policies or at least the vast majority favored his policies. Its the hate they cant get over. I know a guy that agreed with his policies but didnt vote in the last election because he said, " there is no way I can vote for that guy."
 
I agree they hate Trump but not his policies or at least the vast majority favored his policies. Its the hate they cant get over. I know a guy that agreed with his policies but didnt vote in the last election because he said, " there is no way I can vote for that guy."
Well I blame him for the shit show we are in now. I know people in the same boat and they are all regretting their decision. I hate to remind them every chance I get but it’s unforgivable at this point
 
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Well I blame him for the shit show we are in now. I know people in the same boat and they are all regretting their decision. I hate to remind them every chance I get but it’s unforgivable at this point
What did he do to cause us to be in the "shit show" we are in now? I blame the "shit show" we are in now on Biden for changing his polices. Changing border policies, restricting drilling for oil, fracking, for high gas prices. Under Trump we were producing more oil than we were using. Also, I dont think we would have the shortages at our grocery stores. I dont know the details, but some are saying Biden's (Democrats policies) are the cause of all those ships that cant get unloaded.
 
What did he do to cause us to be in the "shit show" we are in now? I blame the "shit show" we are in now on Biden for changing his polices. Changing border policies, restricting drilling for oil, fracking, for high gas prices. Under Trump we were producing more oil than we were using. Also, I dont think we would have the shortages at our grocery stores. I dont know the details, but some are saying Biden's (Democrats policies) are the cause of all those ships that cant get unloaded.
I blame the guy who sat at home. Biden ran on this shit show. He is doing exactly what he said he would do. It was entirely predictable and “republicans “ who sat at home cause they were too stupid to look at the policies and not the tweets or media are as much to blame as democrats who thought they would get something different. Trump governed as well as anyone since Reagan but his brashness made prudes uneasy. That’s where we are. Reagan or any respectful Republican will never be elected and if they are will never be successful. Trump fought back and that seems to be unforgivable in the Republican Party of old. Thankfully DeSantis and people like him have taken note and started to fight back
 
Why does Kamala care more about the Ukrainian border than the American border? Why is she showing unity with foreign nations about their border being under siege but not our own?
Biden and camela making money off the ukraine and sneaking new dummycrat voters across at the border.
 
Little off the subject, but I agree with AJ Barr. There was voter fraud, but it wasnt enough to change the outcome. However, I think mail in voting cost Trump the election. Mail in voting was the cause of so many people voting in the 2020 election. There is no way of really knowing if those votes were legit because it is so easy to cheat with mail in voting. I know of two people that moved into a new house in 2020 and got voting ballots in the mail for the previous owners. They could have easily voted those ballots. However, I am not as upset with that as I am Trump and his mouth and his comments on social media. If the guy had just stopped the name calling and attacking the media, he would be president today. I think me and BDB99 are on the same page. I really cant understand how anyone can support the democrat policies. I was told, "If you want your country to look like CA, vote democrat. If you want your country to look like TX, vote republican. I was born and raised a democrat till Jimmy Carter. I just cant support many of that party's policies.
 
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Little off the subject, but I agree with AJ Barr. There was voter fraud, but it wasnt enough to change the outcome. However, I think mail in voting cost Trump the election. Mail in voting was the cause of so many people voting in the 2020 election. There is no way of really knowing if those votes were legit because it is so easy to cheat with mail in voting. I know of two people that moved into a new house in 2020 and got voting ballots in the mail for the previous owners. They could have easily voted those ballots. However, I am not as upset with that as I am Trump and his mouth and his comments on social media. If the guy had just stopped the name calling and attacking the media, he would be president today. I think me and BDB99 are on the same page. I really cant understand how anyone can support the democrat policies. I was told, "If you want your country to look like CA, vote democrat. If you want your country to look like TX, vote republican. I was born and raised a democrat till Jimmy Carter. I just cant support many of that party's policies.
When you have mail in voting increasing X10 and the rejection rates overall going from 3% to .3% even with the most rejected method of voting increasing (mail in) that was more than enough to put those 6 battle ground states in question. Whenever signature match is mentioned state officials go running. You would think if the dems really believed it was honest they woul relish the chance to prove those that believe it wasn't wrong....but in their hearts they know it wasn't on the up and up either.

And in the end we get a vegetable in office.
 
And you only really need to manipulate mail voting in the largest city in these states.
And really only need to focus on the most populated precincts in those cities as well. That is why you had Oakland county in Detroit over 100% voters to those that registered and many over 80% when in normal years 60% was a norm. Easier to cheat when you majority of your voting population is harbored in limited areas.
 
brought to you by the same people who:
Spied on trump as president
Tried to make cuomo a hero
Told us Trump colluded with russia
Told us white supremacy was a real problem and that we needed to support BLM
Told us they were going to cure covid
Told us we needed to get vaccinated to live a normal life
Told us we needed to get boosted to live a normal life
Pushed for shutdowns and inherently insecure voting
Told us it was ok to gather in groups at the height of covid if it was to protest for social justice
Told us covid came from a wet market

I just don’t understand why he didn’t roll over and accept it
Don’t forget 2 million illegals
 
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Trump inherited a very divided country. The right was really pissed off after Obama (thus Trump), but the media just never reported on it. I thought Biden at least would be more unifying. He’s been an utter failure at that as well.
I get hoping that Biden would be more of a unifier, but the problem is that he doesn’t have unifying policies. He is and has been strongly liberal.

When he and Obama were in the WH they were the most liberal voting members of Congress. When Cortez was asked her opinion of a Biden WH she responded that she thought he could be “lobbied”.

Our greatest challenge as a nation is that Biden approaches everything as a politician with political moves that he has known and embraced for decades.

Trump was less presidential, but as a tough minded businessman man he dove into issues from the perspective of a businessman who wanted results.

If Trump were in the WH we would not have the multiple crises issues (like supply chain and not having energy independence) that we see now.
 
Damn facts


In nine months, the Trump administration carried out over 400,000 Title 42 expulsions along the southern border. During Mr. Biden's first full 13 months in office, U.S. border authorities have carried out over 1.2 million expulsions, an analysis of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data shows.
 
Damn facts


In nine months, the Trump administration carried out over 400,000 Title 42 expulsions along the southern border. During Mr. Biden's first full 13 months in office, U.S. border authorities have carried out over 1.2 million expulsions, an analysis of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data shows.
These stats would only be meaningful in the context of the total number of crossings. Your analysis and response infers that you believe Biden is more effective in controlling the boarder. I do not believe that to be accurate.
 
Damn facts


In nine months, the Trump administration carried out over 400,000 Title 42 expulsions along the southern border. During Mr. Biden's first full 13 months in office, U.S. border authorities have carried out over 1.2 million expulsions, an analysis of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data shows.
So you are trying to tell me and the world Biden has a better handle on the illegal border crossings than trump? Are you seriously making that point in some kind of gotcha deal? Do you honestly think he has not created an open borders policy that is about to get exponentially worse?
 
So you are trying to tell me and the world Biden has a better handle on the illegal border crossings than trump? Are you seriously making that point in some kind of gotcha deal? Do you honestly think he has not created an open borders policy that is about to get exponentially worse?
I didn’t say any of those words. But keep assuming what everyone thinks.
 
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