Mississippi. Kind of funny that Louisiana has a Democratic governor.
Arizona would have made two had it been included in the list.
So Texas recorded 333 covid deaths today
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Mississippi. Kind of funny that Louisiana has a Democratic governor.
Arizona would have made two had it been included in the list.
Border states’ numbers are inaccurate due to foreigners seeking treatment In the US, then dying while visiting.
also, if we are focused so closely on numbers, why not break the daily report into decades of age at death and care facility deaths vs non.
Yes we flattened the curve the right way and they didn't and their numbers are far worse so I'll go ahead and boast on it.
Correct. Texas reported 324 deaths on 8/12. Here are the months when those deaths occurred:
August = 133
July = 186
June = 2
May = 2
March = 1
Yes, we're still reporting deaths as far back as March.
I'm not focused closely on numbers, I was just elaborating on Boz's post.
Feel free if you're so inclined.
I hadn't taken the border states/foreigner thing into account. That calls into question New York's numbers given its border with Canada.
New York’s numbers are truly a testament to how well you can do after you execute your at risk population and build herd immunity among everyone else by sending them into the perfect SARS-COV-2 transmission ground (subway). New York basically followed a ghoulish version of the Swedish model while the rest of the country shut down.
Pretty sure that either one of NY or NJ has more deaths than all of those states you mentioned combined. They're certainly higher in deaths per 100K. NY, NJ, PA, MI, and CA have all fared far worse than any of those states you singled out.
Not sure what you mean.
"Since early June, the share of new coronavirus infections in states led by Republican governors has surpassed that of states led by Democrats, which saw the earliest surge of cases"
CA comes in at 27.4 in deaths per 100k, which is better than all but two of the states he singled out I believe. Louisiana clocks in at 94.7.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Apart from the gratuitous inclusion of CA though, your point remains.
My apologies 2th, I guess I did focus on the numbers for purposes of this thread.
A priest, a rabbi, and a rabbit walk into a blood center. The rabbit says "I think I am a type O"
For those looking scroll over with the arrow at the bottom ot this graph
320 new reported cases, but some are backdated as far as 6/24 This is a BEAUTIFUL way to look at it, so you can see the new reports in today, but in the day they died. deaths are dropping like a rock.
We were told to shutdown in order to flatten the curve and not over-run hospitals which would lead to more death.
Texas flattened the curve allowing our hospitals to more effectively handle a spike.
Sadly, I’m not a male nurse.
I do M&A transaction advisory for healthcare acquisitions.
Male nursing probably has more chicks than finance/private equity. I should go back to school.
Fair enough. I hadn't looked at CA numbers in quite a while and wrongfully assumed based on their news and Newsome's actions they were far worse off.
I wouldn't call Louisiana a "liberal stronghold" but it's by far the most "purple" state in the South. And that's not because of LSU.
Okay so chandler at least addressed what I said. You’re straight up setting up a strawman. I said the hospitals are incentivized to report as Covid. Whether they are “raking in government money” is something no one is going to be able to prove or disprove, unless you’re working admin at a hospital in which case I trust your numbers about as much as I trust pharma companies’ “breakeven” costs
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California locked down twice to the point where they were arresting surfers. Insane nanny state. I guess it worked but judging by second lockdown maybe theyre just prolonging the inevitable.
Truer words were never spoken. Another convert to the view that the only fraud in voter fraud is those that perpetuate the lie. Numerous studies have shown there is no significant voter fraud. Thanks for helping make that point.
this is the funny thing about CA, they had a huge uptick in cases, just like TX, GA, FL, but not a huge uptick in deaths, yes TX and FL had an uptick, but nothing like NY, NJ, Penn.
California sits just 5 ahead of us in lower deaths per million, 321 vs 275. Their crazy laws and the constant changing of policies didn't do anything. The fact that they are spread out like all hell and when people aren't home they are typically outside because its beautiful 360 days of the year probably had more to do with it. Californians secretly hate each other too, so they naturally socially distance.
I am a working admin in a major health organization / state institution. I've sat and watched a 25% workforce reduction just last week. The biggest issue is the lack of elective surgeries which is where money is made. Healthcare is losing their asses without electives. So... Do you want to trust my numbers or do you want me to show you all of the "alternate access" provisions that I've had to process this week as a result of this. Oh, we're also on a one day a week furlough as a cost savings measure. We've already been gutted to the bone, and they cut more just to attempt to break even. I have about 180 hours of work to accomplish per week for my team and we collectively have 64 work hours to get it done. What I see on a daily basis in the Houston area does not align with over reporting of numbers. If you want to talk about % positive cases and what metrics the politicians are looking at versus reality, I can gladly jump into that fray because it's obvious the political skew.
1. My quote, to which chandler responded and to which you followed, was that hospitals are incentivized to classify admissions (May have said deaths, irrelevant to this) as COVID. You changed the argument to say hospitals are raking in money from COVID.
2. I can admit that hospitals lose money due to things that are not Covid. Every business is struggling due to these shut downs (except mega corps, who we trust for some reason). For an admission with flu like symptoms, hospitals make more money if it is COVID than if it is not Covid, by their own classification.
I’m sorry you and your team are struggling. Lots of us feel the same way. Everyone gets to individually make the decision whether they feel it is appropriate to sacrifice the economy (the Main Street economy, not big tech economy) to preserve whatever the number of reported deaths are that day. But please don’t change my argument, which is that hospitals have a monetary incentive to classify cases as Covid.
No. But their Governor is definitely a Democrat. Check the google machine.
If hospitals are classifying folks as COVID it’s not to make money, but to break even if possible. I don’t blame them at all. The forced everyone to end elective procedures and non-critical surgeries so then they asked for hospitals to stay fully staffed and empty in March, for waves that didn’t come until June, granted most folks were on standby but there was no revenue for three months where they could have been.
That being said cases =/= deaths and a Texas changed reporting only what was on the certificate not what was reported by the hospital a few weeks ago which resulted in ~600 new deaths but didn’t significantly change the 7 day rolling averages.
Im not saying hospitals are or aren’t fudging case numbers, I wouldn’t blame them if they did since the government screwed them over, but they definitely aren’t fudging deaths at least in TX.
I work at one. Numbers are way down from mid July.
You nailed exactly what my reply was going to be. I know our doctors are trying their best with accuracy, but that's because we have medical schools & other research institutions tied to it. I could see more true hospitals like Methodist or other more profit based hospitals doing it to really break even. I've had 4 tests and I believe their accuracy because it was all in house at work. I've had 2 close calls and had to quarantine waiting for results, but luckily no positive results. I do have co-workers who got it and it started out not so bad, but they both had the intestinal version & it was pretty awful for about 5 days.
I do really think this is more of a glimpse into what socialized medicine would look like in this country, both from a financial aspect in healthcare and from a patient care perspective with electives.
I said hospitals are financially incentivized to call it Covid. Thank you for agreeing.
Not sure if you agree or disagree, fine either way. It’s my gut feeling working in the Revenue Cycle Management for so long and helping hospitals get the most out of their contracts with the payors.
The system is so messed up without Covid that they have to allocate every dime anyway post ACA. I do not envy the jobs at most hospital business offices.
