It’s fvcked up and everybody knows it. Those that blow it off are cowards.
Doesn’t matter, as long as they still post their vids on PornHub. Am I right, fellas?I have no idea if true or not but I heard from multiple places that this dude is still dating chicks. I’m not sure who is weirder here. The dude pretending to be a chick or the chicks he’s dating
Doesn’t matter, as long as they still post their vids on PornHub. Am I right, fellas?
Except for that chromosome thing!Trust the science, right?
Science is more of a….spectrum. On microscopic viruses, it’s clear. But a penis or a vagina is a little murky. Could go either way.Trust the science, right?
I'll bet the admin and athletics dept at penn told the other swimmers to keep quiet, "Don't you say a word!" That horse ain't dead. It's sickUntil women rise up. Nothing is going to happen because most men don’t give two shits for women sports.
Why are you referring to him as “she”? That’s what opened the door for this whole mess.Nothing against Lia Thomas. She has been brave and had to endure a lot to get where she is.
But this is a simple issue of fairness. Allowing her to compete is obviously unfair to biological female competitors.
You can support someone's identity and hope they have a happy life. And simultaneously acknowledge that they are in the wrong for utilizing an unfair advantage.
Here is a direct quite from Thomas:
“I did HRT knowing and accepting I might not swim again,” she says. “I was just trying to live my life.”
We can accept her as a woman, but it doesn't mean we have to accept her as a female competitor. I suspect even she realizes this.
Why are you referring to him as “she”? That’s what opened the door for this whole mess.
Fair enough BDNothing against Lia Thomas. She has been brave and had to endure a lot to get where she is.
But this is a simple issue of fairness. Allowing her to compete is obviously unfair to biological female competitors.
You can support someone's identity and hope they have a happy life. And simultaneously acknowledge that they are in the wrong for utilizing an unfair advantage.
Here is a direct quite from Thomas:
“I did HRT knowing and accepting I might not swim again,” she says. “I was just trying to live my life.”
We can accept her as a woman, but it doesn't mean we have to accept her as a female competitor. I suspect even she realizes this.
Because pronouns are nonsense. Lia is a man.Why not use the pronoun she prefers. Insisting on calling her a man when she has a stated preference otherwise seems petty.
Saying he, confuses the issue. Treating her with respect and avoiding transphobic attitudes keeps the other side from muddling the issue. This is not about transphobia. It is about fair play for cis female athletes
Exactly. Words have meaning and value. Denigrating them to support someone's 'preference' is just wrongBecause pronouns are nonsense. Lia is a man.
So you accept her as a woman. Ok... please define specifically what a woman is without using the word woman as the definition.Nothing against Lia Thomas. She has been brave and had to endure a lot to get where she is.
But this is a simple issue of fairness. Allowing her to compete is obviously unfair to biological female competitors.
You can support someone's identity and hope they have a happy life. And simultaneously acknowledge that they are in the wrong for utilizing an unfair advantage.
Here is a direct quite from Thomas:
“I did HRT knowing and accepting I might not swim again,” she says. “I was just trying to live my life.”
We can accept her as a woman, but it doesn't mean we have to accept her as a female competitor. I suspect even she realizes this.
HadYou have to respect Lia for taking a stand. Without doubt that girls got some balls.
Part of my hopes that this is an extremely elaborate troll job by the he-she swimmer.
Actually what I think they need. Have a separate division.How narcissistic must he/she must be to do this. So messed up. Maybe the ncaa could do a division for altered humans.
Because we don’t tell a schizophrenic that the person is real. It’s that simple. Pretend it’s not a mental disorder all the way to post op. they are only 20-times more likely to commit suicide than that of average Joe. And that stat is for adults, no telling what it will be for the wave of kids who complete transition. Treating gender dysphoria with hormones and/or sex reassignment is like treating obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction.Why not use the pronoun she prefers. Insisting on calling her a man when she has a stated preference otherwise seems petty.
Saying he, confuses the issue. Treating her with respect and avoiding transphobic attitudes keeps the other side from muddling the issue. This is not about transphobia. It is about fair play for cis female athletes
So is Bruce JennerBecause pronouns are nonsense. Lia is a man.
Is there anywhere else you would expect that from?Shocking. Will / Lia Thomas went to Austin Westlake High School.
Keep Austin weird!
San FranciscoIs there anywhere else you would expect that from?
This is a great reply but, honestly, this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down. she's part of a small, marginalized group (.6 of the population) that we need to lampoon so that we can feel better about ourselves.Nothing against Lia Thomas. She has been brave and had to endure a lot to get where she is.
But this is a simple issue of fairness. Allowing her to compete is obviously unfair to biological female competitors.
You can support someone's identity and hope they have a happy life. And simultaneously acknowledge that they are in the wrong for utilizing an unfair advantage.
Here is a direct quite from Thomas:
“I did HRT knowing and accepting I might not swim again,” she says. “I was just trying to live my life.”
We can accept her as a woman, but it doesn't mean we have to accept her as a female competitor. I suspect even she realizes this.
He’s a dude that can’t compete against dudes so he wants to compete against girls. Those facts are irrefutableThis is a great reply but, honestly, this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down. she's part of a small, marginalized group (.6 of the population) that we need to lampoon so that we can feel better about ourselves.
Ain't got nothing to do with "feeling better" about anything. Other than maybe trying to set the world back on its proper axis. As you point out (and I assume correctly) so insignificant % of our population can impact so many others in such a negative manner. That merely just ONE young woman was denied her natural achievement . . . . is really wrong. There's no natural order for this "sick, dead horse."This is a great reply but, honestly, this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down. she's part of a small, marginalized group (.6 of the population) that we need to lampoon so that we can feel better about ourselves.
"this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down" is Lia being pulled up or pushed down?This is a great reply but, honestly, this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down. she's part of a small, marginalized group (.6 of the population) that we need to lampoon so that we can feel better about ourselves.
Remember the last time we talked about women's swimming here? Beer Donkey gave a good response upon which, I think most reasonable people can agree. I'm fine with the NCAA adopting the same rules as the IOC's or whatever they want to decide what is fair for their sport. I'm not in their sport and, like everyone else here, I'm not a fan of their sport. From reading some of the posts, there might be something else at play here. I think that we've pivoted to "yell the transgender away", which will work as well as "yell the gay away" did, in the long run."this is about pulling one's self up by pushing others down" is Lia being pulled up or pushed down?
So because they're marginalized and represent a small portion of the population, we should disregard the biological advantage they are capitalizing on?
He’s a guy. Period. I don’t care what anyone says. How can this even be debated?Nothing against Lia Thomas. She has been brave and had to endure a lot to get where she is.
But this is a simple issue of fairness. Allowing her to compete is obviously unfair to biological female competitors.
You can support someone's identity and hope they have a happy life. And simultaneously acknowledge that they are in the wrong for utilizing an unfair advantage.
Here is a direct quite from Thomas:
“I did HRT knowing and accepting I might not swim again,” she says. “I was just trying to live my life.”
We can accept her as a woman, but it doesn't mean we have to accept her as a female competitor. I suspect even she realizes this.
Why can’t he compete against men like he has been for the previous 3 years? I don’t think anyone gives a damn if he wants to pretend to be a woman but he shouldn’t be allowed to compete in competitions that are for biological womenRemember the last time we talked about women's swimming here? Beer Donkey gave a good response upon which, I think most reasonable people can agree. I'm fine with the NCAA adopting the same rules as the IOC's or whatever they want to decide what is fair for their sport. I'm not in their sport and, like everyone else here, I'm not a fan of their sport. From reading some of the posts, there might be something else at play here. I think that we've pivoted to "yell the transgender away", which will work as well as "yell the gay away" did, in the long run.