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Richard Spencer, creator of the term "alt-right," to speak to A&M

I absolutely defend the ability for this guy to come on campus and speak. As long as whatever group or individual followed the protocol available to all groups, I have no problem with it.

Universities should be places where a litany of viewpoints can be expressed, including those thatbarr patently offensive. Once we start banning speakers basedbupon content, we're pissing on the Constitution.
OH you are really a terrible person.
 
I don't know anything about Richard Spencer, but in the NPR clip he didn't say anything about a white only society. He is promoting white identity just like the race baiters promote black identity.


Take some time to learn about him.
 
I really dislike this idea that if you defend someone's right to say something(or to speak in a public facility they have rented by the guidelines) that you some how agree with that person's viewpoints. It shows a lack of deeper thinking to me.
 
I don't know anything about Richard Spencer, but in the NPR clip he didn't say anything about a white only society. He is promoting white identity just like the race baiters promote black identity.

"What I would ultimately want is this ideal of a safe space effectively for Europeans. This is a big empire that would accept all Europeans."

"And we're going to need to preference people who are going to fit in, who are more like us. That is European immigration."

"MCEVERS: The slogan make America white again.

SPENCER: I don't have a huge problem with that..."
 
"What I would ultimately want is this ideal of a safe space effectively for Europeans. This is a big empire that would accept all Europeans."

"And we're going to need to preference people who are going to fit in, who are more like us. That is European immigration."

"MCEVERS: The slogan make America white again.

SPENCER: I don't have a huge problem with that..."

Well that's not "white only". Honestly, I don't think that is a lot different than many of the people who are proponents of open borders. Which is certainly not a defense of either side. Just the opposite. Its people who identify with their race and culture being something special and really disliking the presence of other races and cultures.

I don't want to get in the trap of defending this guy. Just hoping that people realize that the colorblind society without the importance or racial identity is the right answer and it isn't being promoted by the left, or the "alt right" I guess.

Instead we get over reaction from each side to the other. This guy is going to justify all kinds of hate and division from non-whites, just like the leftist racists helped create him in the first place.
 
Well that's not "white only".

The guy just said on national radio that he wants an empire that only accepts people of European ethnicity. He uses Nazi lingo in his public speeches.

This guy is way past being proud of his heritage.
 
I don't think the Ags are going to be labeled as protectors of free speech with this guy on campus. I don't see any upside for our school, which is what I care about.
 
I purposely haven't looked into this lunatic but maybe I will now. Hopefully his "outreach" goes something like the Klan presentation went in Tomball several years ago. Protestors outside (protesting the fact the city let them use the facility) and a very, very few inside the building. The press finally caught someone walking out and asked what was going on inside. He replied "nothing...all it is is a few old rednecks from Cleveland".
 
I absolutely defend the ability for this guy to come on campus and speak. As long as whatever group or individual followed the protocol available to all groups, I have no problem with it.

Universities should be places where a litany of viewpoints can be expressed, including those thatbarr patently offensive. Once we start banning speakers based upon content, we're pissing on the Constitution.

I am not sure Texas a&m is tasked with enforcing constitutional rights, they limited the right to bear arms up until this year and I don't think that was argued as a constitutional point but rather a safety issue.

Also, the Supreme Court has ruled against freedom of speech before, at least a few of those cases were driven by students/schools and the court limited their freedom.

Having said that, I am of the opinion they have the right to come on campus and speak but not the right to use a&m facilities as non students with no student group affiliation. The a&m policy I previously posted only seems to designate outdoor areas for this use yet they have a 300 seat room reserved. I understand it's a small distinction - in either case the public will see a white supremacist speaking from Texas a&m - but I'd like to see them follow the policy because it appears like less formal support and allows more protestors to attend. I may have misunderstood some detail on the policy I posted but it does explicitly state only outdoor areas are available to be reserved for free speech topics. If an a&m student/student group was speaking on the same topics that is much different to me than an outsider reserving campus buildings.
 
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The point being, it seems obvious that most sane people don't like what this guy is about. I would have preferred that he be denied but hopefully the opportunity is exploited to demonstrate there is no depth of support for these ideas. I hope Ags that show up express opposing views in a way that they can't be ignored.
 
One terrible part of this guy's "movement" or whatever you want to call it, is all the free publicity the media is giving him. The guy should not be speaking at A&M, but they don't have a lot of ways to stop it from happening.....but if the papers didn't write about it, it would probably largely go unnoticed because I doubt(or hope) there are many actual attendees.

It's like social media, all these crazies have always been out there, but they didn't have that platform, now people know they exist. The media is trying to paint this "post trump election world" narrative, and by doing so is giving these crazies a platform.....which is exactly what they want.

I fear that a big protest would actually give this even more publicity....as opposed to if it just went off as a dud with only 10 people listening to the guy.
 
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I fear that a big protest would actually give this even more publicity....as opposed to if it just went off as a dud with only 10 people listening to the guy.

He's already been featured on NPR and The Atlantic, so I doubt it will make a significant difference.
 
I am not sure Texas a&m is tasked with enforcing constitutional rights...
A&M is a governmental entity. As such, they are bound by the First Amendment.

Also, the Supreme Court has ruled against freedom of speech before, at least a few of those cases were driven by students/schools and the court limited their freedom.
What cases? I'm sure some restrictions have been upheld, but the vast majority of federal and SCOTUS decisions on speech code/speech restriction have held these restrictions to be unconstitutional.

Having said that, I am of the opinion they have the right to come on campus and speak but not the right to use a&m facilities as non students with no student group affiliation. The a&m policy I previously posted only seems to designate outdoor areas for this use yet they have a 300 seat room reserved. I understand it's a small distinction - in either case the public will see a white supremacist speaking from Texas a&m - but I'd like to see them follow the policy because it appears like less formal support and allows more protestors to attend. I may have misunderstood some detail on the policy I posted but it does explicitly state only outdoor areas are available to be reserved for free speech topics. If an a&m student/student group was speaking on the same topics that is much different to me than an outsider reserving campus buildings.
Do you have a problem with a group speaking in Rudder about sething like the importance of adopting pets?
 
I am curious about when this room was reserved.

Anyone know how far in advance these things typically have to be set up?

What I'm getting at is, is there a chance that this room was reserved for this speech before the election (if Hillary had won this would probably not be getting any coverage)?
 
A&M is a governmental entity. As such, they are bound by the First Amendment.


What cases? I'm sure some restrictions have been upheld, but the vast majority of federal and SCOTUS decisions on speech code/speech restriction have held these restrictions to be unconstitutional.


Do you have a problem with a group speaking in Rudder about sething like the importance of adopting pets?

Don't some universities have speech codes that limit language that would intimidate/harass segments of their student population on the basis of race/sex/religion? Backed by the supreme Court's "fighting words" ruling ? Don't know the specific case. I also don't know if those university rules, if challenged legally, would hold up but I know they exist.

I'd have to google the cases, I'll have time later. Maybe my memory fails me, again.

Yes, I'd have a problem if any non student or non student group used university space to push some agenda - that seems to be the rules in the a&m guidelines, most if not all campus buildings are intended for those affiliated, currently, with the university. If a student group reserved a room and has decided to make pet adoption its charitable act and invites the group in, fine. Same with this alt right speech, but my main questions above were around this area - how did they get this room? Who reserved the room and is hosting them?
 
All obvious arguments aside, Spencer is not articulate and his public speaking/interview/debate skills are atrocious. I award him no points and may God have mercy on his soul.
 
A&M is a governmental entity. As such, they are bound by the First Amendment.


What cases? I'm sure some restrictions have been upheld, but the vast majority of federal and SCOTUS decisions on speech code/speech restriction have held these restrictions to be unconstitutional.


Do you have a problem with a group speaking in Rudder about sething like the importance of adopting pets?

I'm curious about first vs second amendment legally now - how were public universities allowed to infringe upon right to bear arms but are held to the same standard as congress as far as prohibiting free speech
 
but my main questions above were around this area - how did they get this room? Who reserved the room and is hosting them?
Tweedy and I have been hammering this in this thread. The gut who reserved the room and is hosting the event is Preston Wigginton, a white nationalist who attended A&M briefly and now lives and works in College Station.
 
most if not all campus buildings are intended for those affiliated, currently, with the university.
Not true.

Sure, say like a physics building is intended for physics classes, etc...but the MSC/Rudder has a lot of meeting rooms, banquet halls, that can be rented out by anyone. ( I would imagine most buildings on campus have a room someone can rent out.

And when you open it up to be able to rent, then you really have a hard time discriminating who can use it.

Here is the rates where it can be rented.

https://msc.ucenter.tamu.edu/wp-con...RIAL-STUDENT-CENTER-FACILITY-RATESupdates.pdf
 
Not true.

Sure, say like a physics building is intended for physics classes, etc...but the MSC/Rudder has a lot of meeting rooms, banquet halls, that can be rented out by anyone. ( I would imagine most buildings on campus have a room someone can rent out.

And when you open it up to be able to rent, then you really have a hard time discriminating who can use it.

Facility Reservations
The Student Recreation Center, Duncan Field, and tennis courts are available for reservation by recognized student organizations and university departments and agencies. Requests for facility reservations may be made in 202 Student Recreation Center and should be submitted at least two weeks in advance. A rental fee may be charged for Department of Recreational Sports facilities. If your group is planning an activity, please inquire about facility availability well in advance. For more information, stop by the Rec or call Tawyna Moehlman at 979-862-1322.

FACILITY RESERVATION REQUEST FORM
Rooms may only be reserved by current, Texas A&M University on-campus residents, Residence Life student organizations, sponsored camps/conferences, department staff, and other Texas A&M University departments. Reservations made by University Departments must be for University business purposes. Submission of this form is a request, and does not guarantee a reservation. You will receive a confirmation or denial within two (2) business days of submitting this form.

As a public institution of higher learning, Texas A&M University provides forums for the expression of ideas and opinions. These include:

  • Traditional public forums include the University’s public streets, sidewalks, parks, and similar common areas. These areas are generally available for expressive activity, planned or spontaneous, for the individual or small groups (generally where a crowd of 25 or less will be present, and/or where an event is not promoted in advance, and/or when an event is not sponsored by a student organization) at any time without the need for reservation, or prior approval. (Obstructing or impeding the flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic is prohibited.)
  • Designated public forums include other parts of campus that may become temporarily available for expressive activity as designated by the university. These temporary locations, while in existence, will be treated similar to public streets, sidewalks, and parks in terms of access and availability for expressive activity. (Obstructing or impeding the flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic is prohibited.)
  • Limited public forums have limited open access for public expression, or they may be limited to particular groups or to particular topics. Creation of, and access to, limited public forums for student publications may be requested through the office of the Dean of Student Life.
  • Non public forums are areas that are not traditional public forums or designated public forums. These include areas that are not by tradition or designation forums for public communication. These forums will be restricted to use for their intended purpose and are not available for public expressive activity. Examples include, but are not limited to, classrooms, residence hall rooms, faculty and staff offices, academic buildings, administration buildings, medical treatment facilities, libraries, research and computer laboratories, the MSC lawn, Easterwood Airport, Brayton Fire Training School, and research facilities.
Additionally, there are areas such as residences, the Bush Library, the nuclear reactors, utility buildings, etc. that have distance requirements, crowd placement restrictions, and security concerns that may vary depending on security needs, terror alerts, and other factors. Additionally, security needs, terror alerts, local and national events may affect the availability of spaces that would otherwise be routinely available. Information about existing requirements, restrictions, or security concerns will be discussed at the time the reservation request is processed.

Those who choose to observe and/or listen to expressive activities, bear the responsibility of recognizing and honoring the right of free speech. Any acts that are disruptive to the normal operations of the university, including classes and university business, or that invade the rights of others will not be tolerated. Faculty, staff, and students engaging in a disruptive activity may be subject to disciplinary action. Any participant in a disruptive activity may face criminal charges.

Ideas or expressions put forth in expressive activities are not necessarily the views of Texas A&M University, its officers, administrators, or leaders, unless otherwise noted.

II. Reservable Free Speech Areas

Rudder Fountain Area, Lawrence Sullivan Ross Statue Area, and the West Mall Area are reservable free speech areas and will be reserved at the request of students and non-students for expressive activity. The act of confirming a reservation will ensure the availability of space. A reservation is not required, except as described in section III. Each area available for reservation is described below.

Rudder Fountain Area–space between Memorial Student Center and Rudder Tower. Sound equipment is allowed and is available for use in this area at a small fee. The volume of any sound equipment must be kept at a level that would not interfere with any academic or other program taking place in nearby buildings.

Lawrence Sullivan Ross Statue Area–space west of the Academic Building and near the statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross. No sound equipment is permitted in this area. (This area is not available for expressive activity during Silver Taps and/or during the Ross Volunteer practice for Silver Taps.)

West Campus Mall Area–space east of the Heep Center and marked by flagpoles and plantings. No sound equipment is permitted in this area.
 
Please see link I just posted. At the bottom it has specific rates for "non-A&M related groups". Which means it can be rented by anyone, they just pay more.

Once you open it to anyone, you can't discriminate against them.

I think you are confusing someone reserving a room for their A&M group, which is what you just posted, as opposed to the MSC meeting rooms and areas which are available for rent by anyone.
 
I'd have to google the cases, I'll have time later. Maybe my memory fails me, again.

Freedom of speech does not include the right:
  • To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
    [*]To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
    [*]To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
    United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
    [*]To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
    [*]Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
    Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
    [*]Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
    Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).
 
If A&M had the legal right to stop this from happening, I (in my optimistic view of our school) would hope that they would.....I just don't think they have the ability to without facing possible lawsuit.
 
Freedom of speech does not include the right:
  • To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
    [*]To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
    [*]To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
    United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
    [*]To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
    [*]Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
    Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
    [*]Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
    Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).

If my memory is correct speech has to incite action that would cause harm almost immediately in order to limit it. Saying you want to start a civil war isn't illegal, gathering a group of armed individuals and saying you're going to immediately attack the place you're gathered would be. It has been a long time since I've taken Con law but I don't think I'm making that up.
 
Please see link I just posted. At the bottom it has specific rates for "non-A&M related groups". Which means it can be rented by anyone, they just pay more.

Once you open it to anyone, you can't discriminate against them.

I think you are confusing someone reserving a room for their A&M group, which is what you just posted, as opposed to the MSC meeting rooms and areas which are available for rent by anyone.

Well, I said most if not all campus buildings are for A&M student use only and you said not true. It is, in fact, true.

You found rates for the MSC and that MSC can be reserved by anyone, that does not cover room 601 in Rudder tower where this event will be held.

The guidelines for the University Center and Special Events reservations, which covers Rudder tower, are seen below. Nowhere in that did I see wording that it is for A&M affiliated people and groups only, that is what I was asking about. It's specifically stated as A&M only for many facilities, and stated as open to all for MSC in your link, but couldn't find where that was in the UCEN facilities guidelines. It's true to say either its open to anyone, and thats how they've reserved it, or a student or student group reserved for them. Curious as to which.

It the guidelines below it also implies "expressive speech" is limited to certain areas - outdoor areas. How do they determine what fits into expressive speech? I'm curious. Also, an interesting note is highlighted in the guidelines:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Appendix XI: Texas A&M Rules on Freedom of Expression
(Revised: 2015)

I. General Expressive Activity Information

Texas A&M University is committed to providing an educational and work climate that is conducive to the personal and professional development of each individual. In fulfilling its multiple missions as an institution of higher learning, it encourages the free exchange of ideas. The university will protect the rights of freedom of speech, expression, petition and peaceful assembly as set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Texas A&M University maintains its right to regulate reasonable time, place and manner restrictions concerning acts of expression and dissent.

As a public institution of higher learning, Texas A&M University provides forums for the expression of ideas and opinions. These include:

  • Traditional public forums include the University’s public streets, sidewalks, parks, and similar common areas. These areas are generally available for expressive activity, planned or spontaneous, for the individual or small groups (generally where a crowd of 25 or less will be present, and/or where an event is not promoted in advance, and/or when an event is not sponsored by a student organization) at any time without the need for reservation, or prior approval. (Obstructing or impeding the flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic is prohibited.)
  • Designated public forums include other parts of campus that may become temporarily available for expressive activity as designated by the university. These temporary locations, while in existence, will be treated similar to public streets, sidewalks, and parks in terms of access and availability for expressive activity. (Obstructing or impeding the flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic is prohibited.)
  • Limited public forums have limited open access for public expression, or they may be limited to particular groups or to particular topics. Creation of, and access to, limited public forums for student publications may be requested through the office of the Dean of Student Life.
  • Non public forums are areas that are not traditional public forums or designated public forums. These include areas that are not by tradition or designation forums for public communication. These forums will be restricted to use for their intended purpose and are not available for public expressive activity. Examples include, but are not limited to, classrooms, residence hall rooms, faculty and staff offices, academic buildings, administration buildings, medical treatment facilities, libraries, research and computer laboratories, the MSC lawn, Easterwood Airport, Brayton Fire Training School, and research facilities.
Additionally, there are areas such as residences, the Bush Library, the nuclear reactors, utility buildings, etc. that have distance requirements, crowd placement restrictions, and security concerns that may vary depending on security needs, terror alerts, and other factors. Additionally, security needs, terror alerts, local and national events may affect the availability of spaces that would otherwise be routinely available. Information about existing requirements, restrictions, or security concerns will be discussed at the time the reservation request is processed.

Those who choose to observe and/or listen to expressive activities, bear the responsibility of recognizing and honoring the right of free speech. Any acts that are disruptive to the normal operations of the university, including classes and university business, or that invade the rights of others will not be tolerated. Faculty, staff, and students engaging in a disruptive activity may be subject to disciplinary action. Any participant in a disruptive activity may face criminal charges.

Ideas or expressions put forth in expressive activities are not necessarily the views of Texas A&M University, its officers, administrators, or leaders, unless otherwise noted.

II. Reservable Free Speech Areas

Rudder Fountain Area, Lawrence Sullivan Ross Statue Area, and the West Mall Area are reservable free speech areas and will be reserved at the request of students and non-students for expressive activity. The act of confirming a reservation will ensure the availability of space. A reservation is not required, except as described in section III. Each area available for reservation is described below.

Rudder Fountain Area–space between Memorial Student Center and Rudder Tower. Sound equipment is allowed and is available for use in this area at a small fee. The volume of any sound equipment must be kept at a level that would not interfere with any academic or other program taking place in nearby buildings.

Lawrence Sullivan Ross Statue Area–space west of the Academic Building and near the statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross. No sound equipment is permitted in this area. (This area is not available for expressive activity during Silver Taps and/or during the Ross Volunteer practice for Silver Taps.)

West Campus Mall Area–space east of the Heep Center and marked by flagpoles and plantings. No sound equipment is permitted in this area.

III. Advance Reservation Requirements

In an effort to ensure safety and to promote an environment conducive to study, advanced reservation for expressive activity is required (in the form of an approved Reservation Request for Space) for events or activities that are promoted in advance, and/or sponsored by student organizations, and/or expected to draw a crowd of more than 25 people. Advance reservation is also required for activities near intersections, and/or in close proximity to academic buildings anytime classes, and/or study activities, and/or research are taking place.

IV. Reservation Procedures

Individuals or groups who are either required to make advance reservation (see section III) or those individuals or groups who otherwise wish to make advance reservations shall request use of the space through the Scheduling Office on the second floor of Rudder Tower. If advance reservation is required, (see section III) requests must be made at least five business days in advance of the event. Additional collaboration and coordination may be required from a building/space proctor and the Department of Student Life. Usually use of the space will be assigned to the person or organization that requests the area first. University sponsored events have first priority on the use of campus facilities. The university reserves the right to locate any assembly so as to ensure that the activity does not interfere with the normal operation of the university or interfere with the rights of others.

The decision to confirm a request for space will be based on proper and timely completion of the Reservation Request form, compliance with applicable sound and sign requirements, and availability of space. The decision to confirm will be based on the foregoing criteria, and in no circumstance will any decision be based on the content or viewpoint of the expressive activity or upon the expected reaction of others. If a request is denied, the rationale for the decision will be provided in writing. The denial of a reservation request can be appealed to the Vice President for Student Affairs or a designee.

At the time of the request the following information will be required:

  • Name information of the person or organization sponsoring the event. Contact information for one individual who will be present during the course of the event.
  • Location, date and time requested for the event.
  • General purpose of the event.
  • List of planned activities (i.e. speech or rally, march with signs, distribution of literature, sit-in).
  • Special equipment requested.
  • Anticipated attendance.
For recognized student organizations, an officer of the sponsoring organization must be present at the event, and during the entire course of the event.
 
Guidelines for Expression

  1. Disruptive Activity–Obstruction, disruption or interference with classes, research, administrative functions or other university activities is not permitted. Likewise, infringement on the rights of others is prohibited.
  2. Reasonable Access–It is important to provide reasonable access to, and exit from, any office, classroom, laboratory or building. Likewise, vehicular and pedestrian traffic should not be obstructed.
  3. Picketing–Picketing in an orderly manner outside of university buildings may be permitted. Such activities should not become disruptive nor should they impede access. Picketing is not permitted inside campus buildings.
  4. Literature may be distributed in traditional and designated free speech areas. Such activities should not become disruptive nor should they impede access.
  5. Symbolic Protest–Displaying a sign, gesturing, wearing symbolic clothing or otherwise protesting silently is permissible unless it is a disruptive activity or impedes access. In addition, such acts should not block the audience’s view or prevent the audience from being able to pay attention.
  6. Noise–Making sustained or repeated noise in a manner that substantially interferes with a speaker’s ability to communicate his/her message is not permitted. Noise levels should not interfere with classes, meetings or activities in progress or the privacy of residence hall students.
  7. Force or Violence–Any attempt to prevent a university activity or other lawful assembly by the threat or use of force or violence is not permissible.
  8. Presenting Identification–In accordance with the Texas Education Code it is unlawful for any person on any property either owned or controlled by the university to refuse to identify him/herself to a university official in response to a request. For the purpose of these rules a person identifies him/herself by presenting student or faculty/staff ID card or state issued ID card.
  9. Damage to Property–Any damage to university or personal property in the course of, or as a result of, an expressive activity is prohibited. Care should be taken to ensure that university and personal property is not damaged or destroyed. This includes the campus lawns, shrubs and trees.
  10. Other University Rules–All applicable University Student Rules should be followed whenever engaging in activities on campus. Consult the University Student Rules booklet for further information.
All individuals participating in expressive activity are expected to comply with state and federal law, municipal ordinances, Texas A&M University Student Rules and the above guidelines. Failure to do so may result in immediate removal from the campus and any other appropriate action by university officials and/or University Police.
 
Good content from UT free speech policies (it's much longer than just this section):

Sec. 13–204. Harassment
  1. No person will make, distribute, or display on the campus any statement that constitutes verbal harassment of any other person. This section applies to all speech on the campus, including speech that is part of teaching, research, or other official functions of the University.
    1. “Verbal harassment” means hostile or offensive speech, oral, written, or symbolic, that
      1. is not necessary to the expression of any idea described in subsection 13–204(b)(2).
      2. is sufficiently severe, pervasive, or persistent to create an objectively hostile environment that interferes with or diminishes the victim’s ability to participate in or benefit from the services, activities, or privileges provided by the University; and
      3. personally describes or is personally directed to one or more specific individuals; and
    2. To make an argument for or against the substance of any political, religious, philosophical, ideological, or academic idea is not verbal harassment, even if some listeners are offended by the argument or idea. The categories of sexually harassing speech set forth in Policy 3-3031 of the Revised Handbook of Operating Procedures are rarely, if ever, necessary to argue for or against the substance of any political, religious, philosophical, ideological, or academic idea.
    3. Verbal harassment may consist of threats, insults, epithets, ridicule, personal attacks, or the categories of harassing sexual speech set forth in Policy 3-3031 of the Revised Handbook of Operating Procedures. Verbal harassment is often based on the victim’s appearance, personal characteristics, or group membership, including but not limited to race, color, religion, national origin, gender, age, disability, citizenship, veteran status, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression, ideology, political views, or political affiliation.
  2. Harassment can also consist of nonverbal conduct, such as hazing, practical jokes, damage to property, and physical assault. In the case of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct, sexual conduct is often central to the offense. These forms of harassment are prohibited by subsection 11–404(a)(11) of the Institutional Rules, by Policy 3-3031 of the Revised Handbook of Operating Procedures, and by the Regents’ Rules and Regulations, 30105. Some forms of harassment violate the Prohibition of Campus Violence, Policy 8-1010 in the Revised Handbook of Operating Procedures. For enhanced sanctions for disciplinary offenses motivated by the race, color, or national origin of a student harmed by the offense, see subsection 11–701(b) of the Institutional Rules. To the extent of any conflict in the definition of verbal harassment, the more detailed definition in this section controls.
  3. The harassment that this section prohibits does not exhaust the category of speech that is unnecessary and inappropriate to vigorous debate in a diverse community of educated people. An essential part of higher education is to learn to separate substantive argument from personal offense, and to express even the deepest disagreements within standards of civility that reflect mutual respect, understanding, and sensitivity among the diverse population within the University and in the larger society. These are community norms, even though they cannot be enforced by disciplinary rules.
  4. Verbal harassment has been interpreted very narrowly by the federal courts. Policies on verbal harassment or hate speech at many universities have been held unconstitutional, either because they prohibited harassment only when it was based on race, sex, and similar categories, or because they failed to protect the expression of potentially offensive ideas. This policy should be interpreted as narrowly as need be to preserve its constitutionality.
    1. A student who believes he or she has been harassed should report the alleged violation to the dean of students.
    2. A faculty member or staff member who believes he or she has been harassed should report the alleged violation to the Office for Inclusion and Equity.
    3. Alternatively, any person who believes he or she has been harassed may report the alleged violation to the Office for Inclusion and Equity or to any University official, administrator, or supervisor. A faculty member is not an “official, administrator, or supervisor” for this purpose unless that faculty member holds an administrative position.
    4. Any University official, administrator, or supervisor who receives a report of alleged harassment will promptly refer that report and the complainant to the Office for Inclusion and Equity, or to the dean of students, as appropriate. A complainant whose report is not forwarded to the Office for Inclusion and Equity, or to the dean of students, has not initiated proceedings for providing a remedy to the complainant or for imposing discipline on the alleged harasser.
    5. Investigation of the information provided, and any remedial or disciplinary proceedings, will proceed under the procedures set out in the harassment policies cross-referenced in subsection 13–204(c).
 
No, I'll assume that you haven't read and seen all the stuff about this guy yet. If you have and think this is a "logical reaction" to anything then we will just have to disagree and I will now know you are a racist bigot.

These guys just gave a speech in Washington where they gave Nazi salutes and advocated for separation of races. This is the "kinder, friendlier, dresses up in a suit, smile at you real nice" kind of racist douche.

This is not a legit reaction or political party, just a bunch of racist, bigoted assclowns. Finally, it is a bad look for the University. I'm aware of this because people on Facebook were posting it and saying "not surprising this guy will speak at A&M".

I know that is a weak thing to say but it just reenforces a bad stereotype. I'm happy the university isn't shutting him down as I think even these hateful douches should be allowed to speak. That doesn't mean it won't be a bad look, especially if some dumb asses show up or worse some guy in a Corps uniform shows up.

This comment sums it all up. Not the image ATM wants to court. Dang!
 
I think it is established that not all areas of a public university are open to the public - it is at the discretion of the university what facilities they make accessible. However, A&M has decided to make some rooms in the MSC and Rudder complex reservable by the public, once they made that decision (probably driven by money), they became public forums. A&M also has designated outside areas as "free speech areas", but I am not sure why because any space they have made available to the public is a free speech area. Although the UCEN guidelines I posted indicate only outdoor spaces are reservable for free speech, in reality they have public rooms for reservation - the guidelines are not entirely accurate in describing free speech reservable areas.


A private banquet hall could definitely kick this group out if the private owner heard and disliked their speech, but they could not kick them out based on race, sec, religion, or country of origin.
 
A private banquet hall could definitely kick this group out if the private owner heard and disliked their speech, but they could not kick them out based on race, sec, religion, or country of origin.
Probably true. I was just thinking along the lines of you can't discriminate if someone wants to hold a same sex wedding.

Either way, a Public University really can't discriminate if it is open to the public to rent.....they would just be inviting a lawsuit. Which maybe would be the route to go in this instance if you really wanted to show the University doesn't agree with the views....but I don't see the legal dept being happy with that.
 
Here's a statement released by our alma mater today:

“To be clear, Texas A&M University – including faculty, staff, students and/or student groups – did not invite this speaker to our campus nor do we endorse his rhetoric in any way. In fact, our leadership finds his views as expressed to date in direct conflict with our core values.”

I guess there's nothing stopping him from showing up at Rudder Fountain and leading his fans, accompanied by the massed banjos of the Young Conservatives of Texas, in a rousing hootenanny version of the
Horst-Wessel-Lied.
 
And, as to be totally expected, it was the lead story on DFW Chanel 5 news! --- probably a lot of stations!
 
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