Got a lot going on over there. Hope we can get everyone out before everything collapses. What does that place look like in a year? Will the only thing that says we were there be the weapons, vehicles and bases we left behind? Anyone close to the situation or know anything more than what is being reported. Doesn't look good
Afghanistan
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Never should have been there. Just ask Alexander. Wasted lives, treasure, and 20 years. You’d think our country would learn from all our recent past experiences
We spent how much and how long training and equipping the Afghanistan forces? And they will fall to the Taliban in less than a month.
Not quite a mission accomplished
Not quite a mission accomplished
It’s a lost cause in that part of the world. The gulf countries would look exactly the same if it wasn’t for the petroleum deposits.
We can’t want it for them. Sad but well past time to bring everyone home
Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden- none of them could figure it out because they don't want foreigners ruling them. Neither could the Russians or the British do anything. Stay out of Afghanistan. Lots of wasted treasure, and especially young men and women. Sad.
Dumb. Get out. We repeated history except instead of Russians. It was us.
What's that place look like in a year?...the same as it did 3000 years ago. It NEVER changes. "If this is the Kingdom of Heaven, then let God do with it as he may." Balian, Defender of Jerusalem (movie)
Trump didn’t get us in to any land wars or into Afghanistan. He was getting the US out of Afghanistan. Don’t think he had any wars to speak of.
Fair enough. I thought the argument for having feet on the ground to see what terrorists are doing might have some benefit.
I don’t necessarily think we should stick around but if you break it you buy it. Seems like a presence like we have in Korea or Germany would have made some sense but I’m not confident that would have really helped anything long term unless the world backed it up and helped manage it. Feel bad for the ones who served over there today to watch it unraveling but I suspect they figured it would happen. At least the ones I’ve talked to.
If there wasn't oil in the Middle East, no one would even give a shit.
True. Fortunately we have enough here to last us the next 200 years at least. We should be able to figure something out by then.
Should have gotten out years ago with grace and a plan. This won’t end well.
Thank god, my family's land is in the Permian Basin...finally, independence from Middle East imports. We may be able to figure our shit out in 200 years. The Middle East...it will still be the same, well if Israel hasn't turned everyone except them into glass.
We absolutely did NOT break Afghanistan. It was already among the worst places on earth before the US arrived. And for all the Afghan casualties over the last 20 years, that time period was a relative golden age compared to what went on before.
There’s no such thing as a graceful exit. It’s ugly. It’s a divorce. You just commit and admit you shouldn’t have ever been there and move on.
We have too many powerful entities in this country that always lobby for wars which is why we repeat the Vietnam experience.
Should have learned from Russians. They couldn’t do it either and they don’t show near as much restraint as we do.
Not fixable. Feel really sad for the women over there. Going back to being terrible for them.
There is divorce and then there Divorce. They still come in flavors. This is too rushed, not planned and could be deadly.
This was always the outcome.
Exactly. If we had left 10 years ago it would have looked the same as today.
Based upon Russia's experience there and how we helped undermine them, we should have never gone in there to stay, but there are those who do not learn that we either commit the resources and have a plan to win, or stay out.
Having said that, we have the new Saigon and that may very well haunt not only the Commander in Chief but the perception by other governments and terrorists may be one that we do not have the resolve any more.
Having said that, we have the new Saigon and that may very well haunt not only the Commander in Chief but the perception by other governments and terrorists may be one that we do not have the resolve any more.
As a kiwi buddy of mine said when we got started over there post 9/11, ‘don’t
**** around, you boys should turn big rocks into little rocks with a few well placed nukes and teach’em a lesson’
**** around, you boys should turn big rocks into little rocks with a few well placed nukes and teach’em a lesson’
If you recall the end of Charlie Wilson's War, when his support of the Mujahideen led to the ejection of the Russians, went back to his fellow congressional members and asked for more funding for schools, reparations, universities, etc. in Afganistan. It was not supported. And, as it was said at the end of the movie, we won, but, as always, we fkd up the end game.
I get it, but is'nt the out come that is coming going to be the same as the beginning?
we are fkd as a nation.
If we can win a title i the meantime, I may not be so upset about it.
Yes but a lot of Americans made a lot of money in the process. War is great for business.
What’s victory look like in these scenarios?
Could we really have made a long term difference? I don’t know but it seems like a long shot.
