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How FL did it.

In the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo imposed strict lockdown policies—many still in place—and became the media’s golden boy. “The governor of New York’s morning news conferences have become part of the country’s new daily rhythm,” the Washington Post’s Style section gushed in March 2020. “He’s the strongman who can admit he’s wrong. He speaks fluently about the facts. He worries about his mother, and by extension, yours, too.”

Gov. Ron DeSantis took a different approach and was pilloried. He was among the first to lift his state lockdown, adopting something resembling Sweden’s strategy of protecting the vulnerable while keeping businesses and schools open. “Florida Man Leads His State to the Morgue,” read a June headline in the New Republic. “Ron DeSantis is the latest in a long line of Republicans who made the state a plutocratic dystopia. Now he’s letting its residents die to save the plutocrats.”
A year after the virus hit the U.S., Mr. Cuomo’s luster has faded, and Mr. DeSantis can claim vindication. The Sunshine State appears to have weathered the pandemic better than others like New York and California, which stayed locked down harder and longer.
Mortality data bear out this conclusion. The Covid death risk increases enormously with each decade of age. More than 80% of Covid deaths in the U.S. have occurred among seniors over 65. They make up a larger share of Florida’s population than any other state except Maine. Based on demographics, Florida’s per-capita Covid death rate would be expected to be one of the highest in the country.



Nope. Florida’s death rate is in the middle of the pack and only slightly higher than in California, which has a much younger population. Florida’s death rate among seniors is about 20% lower than California’s and 50% lower than New York’s, based on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.
Several Democratic governors, including Mr. Cuomo and New Jersey’s Phil Murphy, early in the pandemic required nursing homes to accept Covid patients discharged from hospitals, though many were short-staffed and unable to care for them properly. The New York investigation by Attorney General Letitia James estimated that the state’s nursing home deaths were 50% higher than Mr. Cuomo’s official figures, though it’s impossible to know how many deaths his order caused. The Journal reported Thursday that Mr. Cuomo’s aides rewrote a report by state health officials in June to omit the number of New York nursing-home residents who’d died in hospitals during the pandemic.
Mr. DeSantis took a smarter approach. His administration halted outside visitations to nursing homes and bolstered their stockpile of personal protective equipment. Florida’s government also set up 23 Covid-dedicated nursing centers for elderly patients discharged from hospitals. Nursing-home residents who tested positive and couldn’t be isolated in their facilities were sent to these Covid-only wards. Florida set up field hospitals to handle a surge in cases that models predicted in the spring, although it never materialized.
“Those models about hospital overcrowding never even came close to bearing out, even in New York,” Mr. DeSantis says in an interview. “Some of those policies that were done in these other states, they really were motivated by those models. And those models did do a lot of damage.”
Like most governors, Mr. DeSantis shut down most businesses when President Trump issued guidelines for a national lockdown on March 16. “We did the 15 days to slow the spread,” Mr. DeSantis says. The governor kept restrictions on “nonessential” businesses for several more weeks, but he let more places stay open than other states, including child-care facilities, construction sites, hotels and beaches. National media published photos of crowded Florida beaches. “DeSantis in Florida let everybody go crazy over spring break,” CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the New York governor’s brother, said in June. “He then exported all that virus back to wherever—wherever they wanted to go, OK?”
But Florida’s infection rate during April stayed on par with California, where most beaches and residential construction were restricted. “I was not convinced that a lot of those [lockdown] policies were making a huge difference as data came in,” Mr. DeSantis says.
Florida began a phased reopening in early May, allowing restaurants, barbershops, nail salons, gyms and other retailers to operate initially at 50% capacity provided they follow social-distancing and sanitary protocols. Bars and pubs were later allowed to open at 50% capacity, and limits for other businesses were increased.
Mr. DeSantis also let theme parks—important Florida employers and tourist attractions—reopen at reduced capacity. SeaWorld Orlando and Universal Studios reopened in June. “Disney World took a little longer, but that was just because of their [own] business decisions.” California’s government still hasn’t allowed the Disneyland or Universal Studios theme parks to reopen.

Florida’s cases started climbing in June as people socialized more, including at graduation parties, summer cookouts and on Father’s Day. Experts and the media castigated the governor for reopening too fast and too soon. “Despite the guidelines and the recommendations to open up carefully and prudently, some states skipped over those and just opened up too quickly,” the National Institutes of Health’s Anthony Fauci said in July. “Certainly Florida I know, you know, I think jumped over a couple of checkpoints.”
But cases spiked across the Sun Belt, including in California, which maintained much stricter business restrictions. Still, political pressure intensified on Mr. DeSantis to shut down his state again. He refused. “I’m like, ‘No, we’re not going to lock down. It doesn’t work. It compounds problems,’ ” he says. The virus is not “going to be governed by simply closing someone’s business, or not letting people go to work.”
Mr. DeSantis says he listened to a different cast of experts such as Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya, Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff and Oxford’s Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta. Instead of shutting down businesses in the summer, he ordered more-frequent testing for nursing-home workers and deployed more personnel to hard-hit hospitals. In late July, cases in Florida and across the Sun Belt began to fall.
In September Mr. DeSantis lifted capacity restrictions on restaurants and bars. He also overrode local jurisdictions that tried to keep them closed. “We said every business has the right to operate; you cannot close anything. Everyone has the right to work. You have to let people earn a living,” he says. Mr. DeSantis also required local school districts to offer in-person instruction five days a week in the fall, though parents could choose remote learning instead. “The union sued us, but we beat them in court.”
Teachers unions in large school districts in California, meanwhile, have refused to return to classrooms. They claim schools are unsafe. But per capita Covid cases among children are about the same in Florida and California.
 
When cases began to rise again in the fall, Democratic governors like Mr. Cuomo and California’s Gavin Newsom tightened business shutdowns and even sought to limit Thanksgiving gatherings to 10 people. Mr. Cuomo griped that police weren’t strictly enforcing his household limits.
The fall and winter lockdowns don’t appear to have made any difference in the virus spread. Between Nov. 1 and Feb. 28, there were 5.8 new cases per 100 people in New York, 6.4 in California, and only 5 in Florida, where businesses could stay open at full capacity. But the economic impact of the lockdowns has been enormous.

Employment declined by 4.6% in Florida in 2020, compared with 8% in California and 10.4% in New York. Leisure and hospitality jobs fell 15% in Florida, vs. 30% in California and 39% in New York.
Florida’s freedom has drawn people and economic activity to the state. It ranked third among “U-Haul Migration Growth States” for one-way rentals. While travel is still lower than it was last year, several airlines including Southwest, Spirit and United have added direct flights to Florida this winter. “The addition of these new flights represents United’s largest expansion of point-to-point, non-hub flying and reflects our data driven approach to add capacity where customers are telling us they want to go,” said Ankit Gupta, the airline’s vice president in charge of domestic scheduling.
The state “had an acceleration of some of the business migration that we’ve seen, particularly in finance,” Mr. DeSantis says. The Hedge Fund Association hosted a webinar last month titled “Capitalizing on South Florida,” highlighting investment firms that had moved to the region.
Mr. DeSantis’s administration counts at least 35 large businesses that have moved to the state since the pandemic began. According to Census Bureau data, Florida’s per capita business formation between April 2020 and January 2021 was twice as high as California’s and 75% higher than New York’s.
Florida’s economy shrank only 3.7% in the third quarter of 2020 from the fourth quarter in 2019, according to data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, compared with 4.9% for California and 8% for New York. The latter states probably took even bigger economic hits in the fourth quarter when they shut down.
As for tourism, Mr. DeSantis says “the Panhandle had their best summer and best year ever,” thanks to family road trips from nearby states. Orlando has been somewhat slower to bounce back because it relies more on foreign visitors, and international travel has been almost entirely shut down.
Real estate across the state is booming. Home sales increased 20% in the last six months of 2020 year over year, while the median sales price rose 14.4%. Construction wages and salaries during the third quarter were 3.2% higher in Florida year over year but 4.8% lower in California and 9.3% lower in New York. “When you talk to home builders, what they’ll tell me is they’ve had the best year,” Mr. DeSantis says. “They’ve noticed more [people moving] from California than they ever have.”
The lesson of Florida’s Covid success story, according to the governor: “We’ve shown people that you can have a good time, you can be safe, and you can make the decision that’s best for you.” What has Andrew Cuomo learned?
Ms. Finley is a member of the Journal’s editorial board.
 
Ron deSantis will come out on the right of history when reasonable people look back.

And not for nothing, but did you ever think someone in America would have to make the statement “people have a right to work and earn a living.”? Add to that the amount of controversy surrounding it and one wonders where we go from here.
 
Great read! Thanks for sharing

Pretty much what I have been doing in my personal life.
 
In his 2018 race he captured 49.59% of the vote, his opponent got 49.15%. And his opponent had some outlandish ideas.

But that was 2018, and in 2020 he became one of the few that protected what I mistakenly assumed were generally agreed upon constitutional rights.
 
Luckily, the hispanics in the miami area have had enough with the democrats, and he should win re-election. That, and they got a couple election officials out in S. FL that kept finding pallets of votes that were straight democrat in the last Governor election. They didn't steal his office but got the Ag Comm, who is running against him next term. Check out the FL votes for Trump... Pretty clear indication that without questionable ballots, the Governor gets another term and probably gets picked up as a likely VP candidate two years later.
 
If this happens then we may as well get a divorce in this country. The minute they get the country to go full California in voting there is no need to be a country any more.

Whole different thread, but I think we're already there and just not accepting it. I like the divorce analogy- irreconcilable differences has never been truer.

Maybe 50 years down the road to play out, then we can be the best of friends and super allies- with a geographical line in between.
 
Luckily, the hispanics in the miami area have had enough with the democrats, and he should win re-election. That, and they got a couple election officials out in S. FL that kept finding pallets of votes that were straight democrat in the last Governor election. They didn't steal his office but got the Ag Comm, who is running against him next term. Check out the FL votes for Trump... Pretty clear indication that without questionable ballots, the Governor gets another term and probably gets picked up as a likely VP candidate two years later.
Won't matter with HR1 and mail in ballots that can't be traced and have no chain of possession. They will just dump in 20% of the Miami Dade population as democrat votes causing a high turn out rate that no one will question much like they did in Detroit. You had precincts with 90% plus turnout and many over 100% and they weren't investigated.
 
Won't matter with HR1 and mail in ballots that can't be traced and have no chain of possession. They will just dump in 20% of the Miami Dade population as democrat votes causing a high turn out rate that no one will question much like they did in Detroit. You had precincts with 90% plus turnout and many over 100% and they weren't investigated.
That bill has no chance of passing. Even if a watered down version passes, the SC will intervene.
 
Georgia just passed a voting bill which returns the state to sensible measures, after the weak ass governor caved to Stacy Abrams in 2020.
Just in time for that Governor to run for re-election.
 
Won't matter with HR1 and mail in ballots that can't be traced and have no chain of possession. They will just dump in 20% of the Miami Dade population as democrat votes causing a high turn out rate that no one will question much like they did in Detroit. You had precincts with 90% plus turnout and many over 100% and they weren't investigated.
They can pass HR1, but the Supreme Court will overturn it as unconstitutional - at least as it applies to the President. That part is crystal clear. The states don't even have to have a Presidential election. The legislatures can simply appoint electors.
 
@CheekySchneider can you debunk this please?
What has you so excited? If you want my opinion on Cuomo, I think they should nail his ass if he’s guilty of all that he his being accused of. Unlike you weirdos, who protected Trump against every allegation and wrong-doing as if someone else was to blame, I tend to think Americans should hold politicians accountable.

However, most viewpoints begin in end with people like you who have a one-sided view for everything. So, if somehow it gives you great pleasure to see Cuomo go down, then I suspect you’re jacking off to my post. Enjoy it.
 
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What has you so excited? If you want my opinion on Cuomo, I think they should nail his ass if he’s guilty of all that he his being accused of. Unlike you weirdos, who protected Trump against every allegation and wrong-doing as if someone else was to blame, I tend to think Americans should hold politicians accountable.

However, most viewpoints begin in end with people like you who have a one-sided view for everything. So, if somehow it gives you great pleasure to see Cuomo go down, then I suspect you’re jacking off to my post. Enjoy it.
“If he’s guilty” , “jacking off,”, and “ one sided views” ....sure glad you are a critical thinker , Cheeky😁. We need more of that to keep the weirdos in line.
Lmao
Remember the Alamo !!
 
Ron deSantis will come out on the right of history when reasonable people look back.

And not for nothing, but did you ever think someone in America would have to make the statement “people have a right to work and earn a living.”? Add to that the amount of controversy surrounding it and one wonders where we go from here.
You forget who’s writing history these days....
 
“If he’s guilty” , “jacking off,”, and “ one sided views” ....sure glad you are a critical thinker , Cheeky😁. We need more of that to keep the weirdos in line.
Lmao
Remember the Alamo !!
The AY right-wing media regurgitation think-tank would only be categorized as critical thinking by people like you.
 
The AY right-wing media regurgitation think-tank would only be categorized as critical thinking by people like you.
Cheeky, I always enjoy your take, but I do not always agree. By people like me I guess you mean those that disagree or would have a policy different than yours or are you saying that you are superior in your intellect and capacity to critically think?
Remember the Alamo!
 
What has you so excited? If you want my opinion on Cuomo, I think they should nail his ass if he’s guilty of all that he his being accused of. Unlike you weirdos, who protected Trump against every allegation and wrong-doing as if someone else was to blame, I tend to think Americans should hold politicians accountable.

However, most viewpoints begin in end with people like you who have a one-sided view for everything. So, if somehow it gives you great pleasure to see Cuomo go down, then I suspect you’re jacking off to my post. Enjoy it.
Except 90% of the bullshit surrounding trump was completely made up. With Cuomo, like most democrat, the media was finally forced to actually point out how shitty of a person he actually was. Is there an easier job on the planet than being a democrat politician? The media and most government entities (FBI, CIA, etc) have your back no matter what. Look at the Clintons and Biden’s for example. In any just society those family crime organizations would have been taken down like the mafia. But no. They’re like our political royalty that get to fleece the citizens and the media eats it up. How is it that someone like Biden or the Clintons get filthy rich off government salaries? Other than being POS democrat sell outs of course
 
Except 90% of the bullshit surrounding trump was completely made up. With Cuomo, like most democrat, the media was finally forced to actually point out how shitty of a person he actually was. Is there an easier job on the planet than being a democrat politician? The media and most government entities (FBI, CIA, etc) have your back no matter what. Look at the Clintons and Biden’s for example. In any just society those family crime organizations would have been taken down like the mafia. But no. They’re like our political royalty that get to fleece the citizens and the media eats it up. How is it that someone like Biden or the Clintons get filthy rich off government salaries? Other than being POS democrat sell outs of course
90% of what was said about Trump was made up. If we are being honest, 90% of what he says is made up. Trump created his own truths by repeating falsehoods and playing victim over and over again. And many people just follow along, granted his following is on a steady decline now.
 
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Cheeky, I always enjoy your take, but I do not always agree. By people like me I guess you mean those that disagree or would have a policy different than yours or are you saying that you are superior in your intellect and capacity to critically think?
Remember the Alamo!
Pretty sure your condescension clearly places you in your own mind on a pedestal high above others. Especially that left wing media!
 
90% of what was said about Trump was made up. If we are being honest, 90% of what he says is made up. Trump created his own truths by repeating falsehoods and playing victim over and over again. And many people just follow along, granted his following is on a steady decline now.
Again with the narrative of the media. Are you on the conference calls with CNN and the others to further the narrative. Since you made that assertion please give me the 90% that trump made up. Considering Russian collusion and Ukrainian anything are completely off the table what was it that trump made up that consumed 90% of anything?
 
Pretty sure your condescension clearly places you in your own mind on a pedestal high above others. Especially that left wing media!
Your words "people like me" is clearly condescending and I asked for clarification trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks you for clearing that up.
Remember the Alamo!
 
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