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My understanding of the Haitian rush at the border is that it has nothing to do directly with the current situation in Haiti....directly. As was stated earlier this group came from (You said Central America.....story I saw they came from South America...Chile and I think Brazil). They had relocated to there several years back when the economies of those countries were doing well as a means to better their lives. It was also easy to get into those countries at the time. Since those economies have tanked they were probably looking for another opportunity and the current administration's policies provided that opportunity.

The only tie between the current situation in Haiti and this group of Haitians that I can see is that Haiti was a shit-hole country when they left and is still a shit-hole country today.
 
I make it a point to follow world politics, and I think something bigger is happening in Haiti than we realize. Haiti is incredibly poor and unstable, and it has vast untapped natural resources. That makes it a potential target of bad actors (and I'm talking Russia and China here, and WTF knows who else). Their president was assassinated a few months ago, and we still don't know who was ultimately behind it. Some rich Florida businessman was labeled as the culprit, but nobody has any real idea of whether or not that was actually the whole case. A bunch of highly-trained Columbian mercenaries were lured into taking some job that was sold to them as a "good guys vs. bad guys" liberation movement, but they didn't actually kill the president. They are now in Haitian prison, and were used as scapegoats by someone who financed the Florida businessman and orchestrated the assassination from behind the scenes (my opinion).

The resources of Haiti is what had me interested in this in the first place, and it was only exacerbated when 10-15,000 Haitians basically stormed the border this week. They were apparently victims of a social media disinformation campaign, because no policy shift and no offering occurred that would make them think it was the right time to all come together and seek refuge. If anything, they would have done it a few years ago when Trump was threatening to change our policy. Why they would all randomly come together and do it now, almost a year into Biden, doesn't make any sense. It's too easy. My best guess is that Russia or China has a long-term plan to exploit the resources of the country, and to plant a government there that will be a thorn in our side (much like Cuba), but it's still too early to tell. I firmly believe, though, that, unfortunately, some real s*** is going to go down in Haiti over the next several years, and that it could lead to a worldwide conflict.

This social media disinformation gem that Russia has unearthed is going to turn out to be a real fvcker. I mean, look at how well-educated the USA is in general, and look at how it messed with us. Now drop that kind of online campaign into third world countries without the education that is often required to see through such BS, and you have a game changer.

Hell, if you can type out a bunch of BS online and get 10,000+ people to flee to our southern border, imagine what you could do internally in Haiti. It may have been just a test.
I doubt many in Haiti have internet access, I doubt most have access to electricity for that matter. However, I think you may be on to something, and I wouldn't be surprised of China's hand is in this.
 
It’s simple. Ask them how they got there?
I’m sure the media is asking these questions.
Oh, probably not.
 
Biden campaigned on a completely open border and said he hoped our southern border would be stormed by immigrants from all over and we are seeing it. It’s that simple. A few weeks ago he came out and said he would not return Haitian immigrants and you are now seeing it. The cartels are trafficking humans at a larger clip than ever due to Biden’s policies. That’s why they are all showing up in one place. Del Rio is the chosen place for the cartels. It’s really pretty simple and predictable and will only get worse as our government has declined our sovereignty with no borders. Get ready as it’s only gonna get worse. It’s what people voted for. Enjoy
They’re being deported to Haiti, a country many haven’t lived in for many years.
 
It’s simple. Ask them how they got there?
I’m sure the media is asking these questions.
Oh, probably not.
 

When Evens Delva waded across the Rio Grande with his wife and two daughters, he had dreams of starting a new life in Florida. But less than a week later, he and his family stepped on to the tarmac in Port-au-Prince, the sweltering and chaotic capital of Haiti, with nothing except traumatic memories and a feeling of bubbling anger.


Delva, along with nearly 2,000 other Haitians, was deported from southern Texas this week to Haiti, despite having lived in Chile for the past six years and having few remaining connections to his home country. His younger daughter, who is four, does not hold Haitian citizenship, having been born in Chile, and speaks more Spanish than Haitian Creole.


“I don’t know what we’ll do, we don’t have anywhere to stay or anyone to call,” the 40-year-old said, moments after getting off the plane in the blistering midday Caribbean heat. “All I know is that this is the last place I want to be.”


It is not hard to understand why. Haiti, the poorest country in the western hemisphere, is mired in overlapping crises. Gasoline shortages and blackouts are a daily reality, while warring gangs routinely kidnap for ransom and wage battle on the streets.


The grim situation only worsened when the president, Jovenel Moïse, was assassinated in his home on 7 July, triggering a political power struggle and further instability and street violence. On 14 August, a 7.2-magnitude earthquake struck the country’s poor southern peninsula, killing more than 2,200 people and leaving tens of thousands homeless.

The Biden administration’s decision to deport thousands of Haitians under such circumstances drew opprobrium around the world, and prompted the US envoy to Haiti to resign in protest. Haiti is “a country where American officials are confined to secure compounds because of the danger posed by armed gangs in control of daily life”, he wrote in his resignation letter. “Surging migration to our borders will only grow as we add to Haiti’s unacceptable misery.”


Last week, the world was shocked by images of police officers on horseback charging at desperate Haitian migrants near a camp of 12,000, set up under the Del Río-Ciudad Acuña International Bridge. Delva was on his way to buy food and water for his family when the cavalry charge sent him and dozens of his compatriots running in a frenzy.


“We were rounded up like cattle and shackled like criminals,” he said, having spent the six-hour flight from San Antonio with his hands and legs tied.


“They treated us like animals,” added Maria, his wife.. “We’ll never forget how that felt.”

US authorities were so slapdash in their rapid deportation of the migrants that they also swept up an Angolan man who had never set foot in Haiti. “I told them I am not Haitian,” said Belone Mpembele, as he emerged, dazed, from the terminal. “But they didn’t listen.”


Outside the airport a few dozen deported Haitians were waiting, restless and angry, for any help. “Screw Biden!” one deportee shouted as a fight broke out between two motorcycle taxi drivers jostling for clients and plumes of white, rancid smoke billowed from a nearby pile of burning rubbish.


New arrivals each received about $50 in cash as well a hygiene kit including toilet paper, soap and toothbrushes, emblazoned with the USAID logo and slogan: “A gift from the American people.”


“This is my country and I’m not scared of it, but there’s no future here, even if you want to work,” said Fanfan Clerveaux, who had been sleeping at a cousin’s house nearby since he arrived days ago. “But I don’t know why they had to deport us like that.”

The vast majority of those deported had been living in Chile and Brazil for several years following an earthquake in 2010 that levelled much of Port-au-Prince, killing more than 200,000 people and setting Haiti on a spiral of instability from which it has never recovered.


Those who reached South America set about making new lives, but when the coronavirus pandemic struck, it wiped out much of Latin America’s middle- and working-class jobs, and they were once again left in poverty.


Many Haitians decided to head for the US. The long route north exposes them to bandits, traffickers and immigration officials who prey on migrants. Perhaps the worst part of the journey is the dreaded Darién Gap, a lawless patch of mountainous jungle between Colombia and Panama. “The dead bodies, there are so just many dead bodies, and the rivers just ate people alive” said Delva. “And the thieves, just stealing from everyone.”


After the last flight of the day arrived, one young woman fought through a crowd of taxi drivers and broke down in tears when she saw her mother, who was separated from her in Texas. “You’re here!” Further back, a driver listened to radio news, hearing about another kidnapping in the capital, while the Delva family began piling into a battered hatchback.


“I don’t know if Biden knows what happened to us, but they treated us like private property,” Delva said. Despite the traumas of their long journey, he was certain of one thing: his family’s future was not in Haiti. “We’ll stay here for a month or so, then we’ll try to leave again.”
 
“When Evens Delva waded across the Rio Grande…”

so admitted to entering a foreign country illegally and got sent back to his country or origin. You know why he didn’t go back to Chile? Because he probably destroyed his paperwork to help his asylum claim. Play stupid games and all that…..
 
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The AP article posted above was interesting. from article (kind saying it has nothing to do with Haitian president assassination):


A confluence of factors caused the sudden sharp increase at the Texas town of about 35,000 residents. Interviews with dozens of Haitian migrants, immigration attorneys and advocates reveal a phenomenon produced partly by confusion over the Biden administration’s policies after authorities recently extended protections for the more than 100,000 Haitians living in the United States.

Migrants, many from Haiti, are seen at an encampment along the Del Rio International Bridge near the Rio Grande, Tuesday, Sept. 21, 2021, in Del Rio, Texas.  The options remaining for thousands of Haitian migrants straddling the Mexico-Texas border are narrowing as the United States government ramps up to an expected six expulsion flights to Haiti and Mexico began busing some away from the border.  (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)
Migrants, many from Haiti, are seen at an encampment along the Del Rio International Bridge on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)
It also reflects the power of Facebook, YouTube and platforms like WhatsApp, which migrants use to share information that can get distorted as it speeds through immigrant communities, directing migration flows. That’s especially true for tight-knit groups like the Creole-and-French-speaking Haitians, many of whom left their homeland after its devastating 2010 earthquake and have been living in Latin America, drawn by Brazil and Chile’s once-booming economies.

In extending protections for Haitians this spring, the Biden administration cited security concerns and social unrest in the Western Hemisphere’s poorest country.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the temporary protections were limited to those residing in the U.S. before July 29 — but that condition was often missing in posts, leading Haitians outside the United States to believe they, too, were eligible.
 
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What time does Coast to Coast come on tonight? Did you post that from the West of the Rockies line or Time Traveler line?
 
The current administration’s handling of the border crisis has been very poor. A friendly domestic media combined with plenty of other news has kept it from being a lead story in the US, but it certainly isn’t a secret. If you were planning on making your way into the US illegally, now is an opportune time.
“Very poor” are you kidding me?? It’s been a totally F disaster. The way Biden is handling the border we could be invaded by any foreign adversary. Think about it. The only thing standing in the way of a true invasion is Gov Abbott, The DPS, a few national guard( that can be federalize at any time) and the unappreciated border agents.
We all better get our 30-30s loaded to protect our state, property, and country because Jim crow Joe could care less about America. He’s too busy sucking XIs ????
 
“Very poor” are you kidding me?? It’s been a totally F disaster. The way Biden is handling the border we could be invaded by any foreign adversary. Think about it. The only thing standing in the way of a true invasion is Gov Abbott, The DPS, a few national guard( that can be federalize at any time) and the unappreciated border agents.
We all better get our 30-30s loaded to protect our state, property, and country because Jim crow Joe could care less about America. He’s too busy sucking XIs ????
Have you met my friend, Q?
 
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We are talking about 12,000 Haitians, while a 185,000 other illegal aliens cross our border monthly. His is all by design.
 
Yes they did. The administration has admitted this. That flight was nothing more than a photo op so the media could provide cover and continue to be intellectually dishonest about what is going on.
”Roughly 13,000 of the migrants recently encountered in Del Rio were processed under U.S. immigration laws and allowed to have a hearing before a judge, including 3,000 who were sent to detention centers, according to DHS data. An estimated 8,000 returned to Mexico voluntarily, while another 4,000 remain in U.S. custody awaiting expulsion or release.”

Do you think there’s thousands of Haitians hitting up Del Rio coffee shops talking about current events?
 
“Very poor” are you kidding me?? It’s been a totally F disaster. The way Biden is handling the border we could be invaded by any foreign adversary. Think about it. The only thing standing in the way of a true invasion is Gov Abbott, The DPS, a few national guard( that can be federalize at any time) and the unappreciated border agents.
We all better get our 30-30s loaded to protect our state, property, and country because Jim crow Joe could care less about America. He’s too busy sucking XIs ????
Abbot doesn’t do anything but blame Democrats for securing his own border.
 
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Anyway, I see where this is going, but I'm going to read every reply, because I'm genuinely interested in how the situation in Haiti plays, out, and I'm fascinated to watch what's going on in the world around me, so if anyone would like to respond with some fodder, let's go.
I’m always fascinated by the leftist/liberal / Democrat morons who believe they are intellectually superior to others. It’s entertaining. Please continue.
 
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I’m always fascinated by the leftist/liberal / Democrat morons who believe they are intellectually superior to others. It’s entertaining. Please continue.
Look, man, I'm not going to insult you. It's a really nice birdhouse...way better than anything I could have made. You definitely get an "A" in shop class, so cheer up.
 
These Hatians have been in South America for years. They are using the opportunity of Biden’s change in policy to make their move. As to who is organizing it, it’s just as plausible it is American activists. There’s a political advantage for them to import as many poor, unskilled foreigners into the country.
 
These Hatians have been in South America for years. They are using the opportunity of Biden’s change in policy to make their move. As to who is organizing it, it’s just as plausible it is American activists. There’s a political advantage for them to import as many poor, unskilled foreigners into the country.
There has been no policy change, so the timing is extremely odd. It's also politically DISADVANTAGEOUS for Democrats to have FoxNews camped out at the border, taking videos of this chaos.
 
Genuinely curious - what’s your take here? I admittedly haven’t kept up with any of this and don’t know enough to form an opinion.
 
There has been no policy change, so the timing is extremely odd. It's also politically DISADVANTAGEOUS for Democrats to have FoxNews camped out at the border, taking videos of this chaos.
There have been policy changes and also proposed asylum changes, some of which have been misinterpreted or created urgency among the displaced Haitian population due to information shared from their US relatives via WhatsApp or Facebook groups. It's all in articles already posted.
 
There has been no policy change, so the timing is extremely odd. It's also politically DISADVANTAGEOUS for Democrats to have FoxNews camped out at the border, taking videos of this chaos.
To say there have been no policy changes is just plain disingenuous. Now I do agree to have Fox News there documenting the chaos is disadvantageous to the Biden Administration.
 
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There have been policy changes and also proposed asylum changes, some of which have been misinterpreted or created urgency among the displaced Haitian population due to information shared from their US relatives via WhatsApp or Facebook groups. It's all in articles already posted.
Biden lifted some immigration restrictions in March, but this is late September. Why are 15K people suddenly converging on our border now? And why are they telling reporters that Biden promised to have food for them? Do you think they may have read that online?
 
Biden lifted some immigration restrictions in March, but this is late September. Why are 15K people suddenly converging on our border now? And why are they telling reporters that Biden promised to have food for them? Do you think they may have read that online?
Again, the cartels are recruiting them and charging for safe transport from South America. They’ll tell them whatever they need to, but it helps to have some of the sound bites from Biden linked above.
 
Again, the cartels are recruiting them and charging for safe transport from South America. They’ll tell them whatever they need to, but it helps to have some of the sound bites from Biden linked above.
Yeah, I just disagree. I think Russia and/or China are putting their social media disinformation campaigns to sinister use in third world countries.
 
Biden lifted some immigration restrictions in March, but this is late September. Why are 15K people suddenly converging on our border now? And why are they telling reporters that Biden promised to have food for them? Do you think they may have read that online?
I'll just have to cut and paste from an earlier article posted I guess. Coming from a group that works closely with Haitians and tries to help them, I have to believe this is factual.

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Haitians began crossing there this year, but their numbers ballooned after a Biden administration program that briefly opened the door to some asylum seekers ended, said Nicole Phillips, of the San Diego-based Haitian Bridge Alliance, which advocates for Haitian migrants. The program allowed in a select number of people deemed by humanitarian groups to be at high risk in Mexico.

A man carries a little girl over the Rio Grande river toward Del Rio, Texas, early Wednesday, (AP Photo/Fernando Llano)
Once it ceased in August, people panicked, and the messages recommending Ciudad Acuña “went viral,” Phillips said.

“That’s why they rushed at this time to get in,” she said. “They realized they wouldn’t be able to get in legally through a port-of-entry like they were hoping.”
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And then talks of changes to the asylum policy just over a month ago:
 
There has been no policy change, so the timing is extremely odd. It's also politically DISADVANTAGEOUS for Democrats to have FoxNews camped out at the border, taking videos of this chaos.
The timing is due to the current admin extending the visa rights or whatever they were for the Haitians currently in this country. The South American Haitians took that as "we are accepting more Haitians".

Agree it is disadvantageous for Fox to be reporting on the Del Rio Haitian fiasco. That is why they attempted a "no fly zone" for drones around it.
 
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