Silly...you can say that about anything.
"yea you aren't likely to die(insert some random way) but just wait till it's you or a family member"
Up to date numbers - Houston Methodist Hospitals....
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"yea you aren't likely to die(insert some random way) but just wait till it's you or a family member"
Funny how none of the numbers (information) line up...
FOLLOW THE MONEY! It's always about the money.
FOLLOW THE MONEY! It's always about the money.
EVERYONE is lying. It doesn't matter what letter comes after their name.
It's all about the money.
It's all about the money.
Again, from where did you think this up?
You know, the first person prominence two speak out against the vaccine was Kamala Harris when she said she wasn't going to take any vaccine developed by the Trump system. I never knew Kamala had so many Aggie followers.
I get the humor in this however there's a whole lot of conflicting data out there from different top scientists in the world and only one side seems to be having their data suppressed.
FNC reported the other day that the CDC changed the hospital reporting procedures. If you were vaccinated then contracted SARS-2 and were hospitalized, your weren't counted. They are only counting the UNvaccinated to push the jab. All other countries are reporting high % numbers of vaccinated hospitalizations. Can't trust anything CDC puts out. It's all Political Science not Real Science.
Oh, I think there are so many lies flowing out of so many mouths it's hard as hell to trust anyone. BUT, generally speaking, someone repeating bs about he knows far more vaccinated folks getting sick than unvaccinated, and he hears stats on the radio stating it's hitting the fully vaccinated folks much harder than the unvaccinated folks, is a complete lie - or a lack of comprehension equal to Vince Young's..........
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who are anti-vax because it's the Biden administration. However, I haven't seen them on this board. Trump and his family are all vaccinated and he's encouraged people to get vaccinated so I'd think if it was just about Trump vs. Biden the folks who are really pro-Trump would get the jab.
In reality there are a whole lot of people who are understandably suspect of vaccines which were developed so fast and without the standard processes to review and approve the efficacy and side effects. Especially given the consistent flip-flops from those who are supposed to be authorities. There's been pieces recently from such bastions of conservative-thinking journalism like Vox and Slate criticizing Fauci, the CDC, politicians, and the media for leading with the fear porn and what they're terming as "noble lies" where these folks purposely misled the public or misrepresented things but did so with good intentions because they felt the public wouldn't behave rationally. I'd argue they were correct that the public did not and cannot behave rationally but that's another subject.
There are tons and tons of people out there who can look at the data and see who the really vulnerable are for the high likelihood of bad outcomes from covid (hospitalization & death). Those generally being folks over a certain age, obese, and with a myriad of other health problems. People who are younger and healthier can look a that data for being at risk vs. their own health and compare that to the documented fairly high rate of side effects to the vaccines which, in many people, are worse than actually getting covid and both confer about the same level of future protection. There's nothing irrational at all about that person choosing to not get vaccinated.
Of course there are problems of perception too. Specifically self-perception. This is where the typical mid-40's dude is fairly overweight (something like 42% of adults in the USA are considered obese- at max you could knock that down 5% for people who are really fit & muscular) and rarely goes to the doctor because he feels pretty good in general. There's a fairly high likelihood that dude has type-2 diabetes and doesn't know it. Same for having elevated BP and cholesterol. And he maybe doesn't exercise much while spending most of his time at a desk so his cardiovascular health ain't great so he's at a higher risk than he really thinks.
Several people on here have pointed out the Texas Republican politician who died recently. I think he was a city council member down in Dickinson and was a very vocal critic of masks, vaccines, etc. Dude's name was Scott Apley. I didn't know him personally but we had several friends in common. I'm not casting judgment here because it would be hypocritical since I need to lose a lot of weight but this is the dude. Not to speak ill of the dead but ol' boy here needed to lose at least 100 pounds to be in the "healthy weight range." He was by no means "otherwise healthy" as some sources have claimed. I guarantee you this guy had type-2 diabetes (untreated), high BP, and high cholesterol. And I promise you his cardiovascular health was not good either. He absolutely needed to get the jab.
I don't think that's correct.
What the CDC is doing is not counting breakthrough cases among vaccinated people which do not result in hospitalization.
However, they need to be doing that to track the overall efficacy. They also need to be tracking the rate of serious cases among the unvaccinated but who previously had covid and recovered.
The folks you listed aren’t clogging up and filling up our hospitals. They aren’t shutting down the economy and changing how we live. Apples and oranges.
Uhhhh no. There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
These variables are absolutely necessary.
Everyone has numbers to back up their beliefs.
The problem is that no one can be certain they have the correct numbers because they've been conflated by all sides.
These variables are absolutely necessary.
Everyone has numbers to back up their beliefs.
The problem is that no one can be certain they have the correct numbers because they've been conflated by all sides.
Wait....so you think our hospitals aren't filled with people who smoke or overeat or otherwise make poor life decisions? So if we could just cure Covid those hospitals would be mostly empty?
Unvaccinated aren't shutting down the economy, that's politicians because "we gotta do something".
This is bullshit....the choices of government officials to shut shit down is affecting you. Someone getting a shot or not isn’t the culprit.....and BTW I’m vaccinated.
There is zero point discussing this with anyone anymore. With a year and a half of Covid data and almost a year of vaccine data (including the trials), everyone has had everything they need to make their own decision. No one's mind is being changed and if one is relying on local news or fringe websites for data that is their problem. it's going to quickly run through the remaining population that is now fully out and about, this is the last wave we'll pay attention to, but it'll be in circulation forever and we'll all get it (edit: "it" will be some variant, it's like influenza) someday.
Spot on. Nothing I say will keep someone from dying who could have survived had they vaccinated because nothing I say will change their mind to get vaccinated.
Spot on. Nothing I say will keep someone from dying who could have survived had they vaccinated because nothing I say will change their mind to get vaccinated.
That's all experimental mRNA injections are? Vitamins? Is the "bio" prefix before your handle just to denote that you're made up of useless biomass? Certainly can't be because you're a biologist.
No we are not quit painting with a wide brush. Your whole statement is opinion.
1. Only 1/3 of icu patients are with covid.
2. Houston has 2.4 million people.
3. Those numbers are across as systems.
Just saw that PFizer has been downgraded to 42% effectiveness against contracting Delta Variant. Moderna down to the 70's. CDC was saying 90% plus just a few short weeks ago. Wonder what data that claim was based on?
Then when it was clear that wasn't the case, they morphed it to the vaccinations keep you from serious harm and keeps you out of the hospital. Where was the data then?
Now we are seeing higher percentages of vaccinated people in the hospital.
Even the white house has been putting pressure on the CDC to be more transparent with their data which is saying a whole lot.
It's clear, when it comes to Covid, they are swinging in the dark.
Then when it was clear that wasn't the case, they morphed it to the vaccinations keep you from serious harm and keeps you out of the hospital. Where was the data then?
Now we are seeing higher percentages of vaccinated people in the hospital.
Even the white house has been putting pressure on the CDC to be more transparent with their data which is saying a whole lot.
It's clear, when it comes to Covid, they are swinging in the dark.
if this piece of shit administration was really serious about covid, they would shut the border down; but what are they doing.....bussing and flying these infected immigrants all over the US.
Good friend who is fully vaccinated recently tested positive in a breakthrough case after flying home from a business trip to the Valley. The flight from McAllen to IAH was 100% full and probably 60% were detained immigrants being shipped around the country.
Originally tested positive for covid on 11/30/2020. Very mild case. Multiple close contacts with confirmed covid+ folks since then. Living as normally as possible. Just out of curiosity went and got an antibody test at CVS an hour ago and 9 months later I still test positive for antibodies.
The weird thing is that the wife, who tested positive a day before me, had a slightly more severe but still mild case, and has had multiple close contacts with confirmed covid+ too tested negative for antibodies today.
The weird thing is that the wife, who tested positive a day before me, had a slightly more severe but still mild case, and has had multiple close contacts with confirmed covid+ too tested negative for antibodies today.
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