Biden picks Kamala Harris as VP
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No doubt, her 1/1024th Native American background would have closed it.
I was somewhat surprised. She basically said Biden was a racist. She also said she believed the sexual harassment/assault allegations against him. She is also only half black and half east Indian. She is also much less of a progressive on record than many of the others like Warren, Abramas and others. I thought he would choose Susan Rice.
The ads of her calling Biden Racist and a sexual assaulter are going to run on loop as well. This is about as stupid a choice as he could have made.Just another poor choice he has made and it shows really how bad he would be.
This is how shallow the democrats and particularly the Biden camp is. She was picked because Biden has said some pretty damning and terrible things about both the Indian and African American communities and this pick is supposed to bring them back to the table. He's also creepy so the fact that she's a woman it's supposed to check that box too. The only way they win is with voter fraud and that is certainly going to happen on a scale that we have never seen before. Imagine when Russia and China figure out that they can mail in hundreds of thousands of mail in votes to help get the Biden band back together so they can start fleecing this country again. One thing certain is that the if he wins the Biden family will be getting back back into international business. Something they never were before he was VP
I am still learning I guess. Its ok to have ancestors who owned & raped slaves but it is not ok to be a general in the confederate army.
"Harris, Kamala Harris’ father, said in an essay that he is the descendant of Hamilton Brown, an Irish man who enslaved people in Jamaica. We found a user-created lineage on FamilySearch that seemingly ..."
I'm not really big on any of this, but for someone who is, you could understand that you have no control over who your ancestors are, so looking down upon someone for what their ancestors or even parents did would be odd. Look at Woody Harrelson for example. A beloved actor whose dad was a hitman that murdered a federal judge. I assume you agree with all of this.
Actually owning slaves or fighting to ensure slavery is something than can be frowned upon. Hence the "not ok to be a general in the confederate army." You may disagree with this, saying dont judge people in history by today's standards, but surely you can understand someone's point of view that owning slaves even in a time of slavery is/was not ok, right?
So there seems to be a pretty easy separation of these ideologies wherein someone could believe both and not be a hypocrite.
You didn’t say anything but a not all that catchy catch phrase. Who is the “you” in your sentence? Surely not people with slave owning ancestors.
Confederate generals then? I just don’t have a dog in that fight. I think comparing historical people to current moral standards is difficult at best, but I also couldn’t care less about statues.
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Any examples of people being cancelled, whatever that means, because of their ancestors owning slaves? It seems odd the democratic VP candidate would have this and she’s... uncancelled?
Perhaps I did. I assumed your point was those two positions are inconsistent and to hold both would be hypocritical.
What was your point?
What was your point?
Ok. You got it. Seems those who support Biden/Harris are hypocritical then if they also want to cancel anything tied to the past confederacy.
I fail to see the connection. It seems like totally different things to judge someone based upon what their ancestors did (Harris) vs what they actually did (confederate generals).
I haven’t seen people judging folks for what their ancestors did. I’ll be the first to admit I may have missed it. What I’ve seen is judging historical figures for what they actual did (owned slaves, etc).
I have to admit I’m mixed. I mean, there have been issues about some of them long before 2020, so it’s not new. Controversy about Sully for instance was happening when I was at atm in the late 90s. So it clearly bothers people and has a while. But now it’s expanded way beyond and in some cases is absurd. I think if a particular statue has been a point of controversy long before George Floyd, the debate has a lot more legitimacy.
I also don’t think removing a statue is erasing history bc I know about these historical figures without ever visiting statues. I think statues are generally super weird.
I agree with you but maybe from the other side. Why be concerned about statues of people who did great things for their community way back when but fought for the wrong side?
l also agree that you and I don’t need the statues to teach us history. But what about others who don’t have our education?
Another thought I have is statues have been erected to celebrate individuals for their positive contributions to a society throughout all civilizations and all history. Do you think the confederate statues were erected to celebrate that person’s stance on slavery? Or their contribution to that community?
I don’t see statues as ever teaching history, but point taken on levels of education.
On your last point, I’m not sure the answer is very clear when you look at when some (not all) were erected. If during Jim Crow, does that cloud the purpose in your mind at all? It feels like it should at least call into question the purpose of the statue.
What if we totally erase all that history tied to slavery? What does that look like? What does that do for the future?
Define erase? If from books, that’s absolutely crazy. If we take down all statues of people who owned or fought for slavery, I don’t think it would make any difference in my life or yours.
I don’t know enough about the timing of the statues to form an informed opinion yet. I will research it. Maybe timing has to do with tax collection allowing it.
Your question just triggered another thought. Does the “north” have statues of Union generals? And when were those erected? About the same time as the “south’s”?
Erasing any history is a bad thing.
What about the statues of generals who did not own slaves or join the fight to protect slavery? They fought for their community and for other reasons?
It is not about the statues, it is about the process for retaining them, moving them or destroying them!
I do not give a flying turd which one is chosen as long as everybody has a voice and it is not decided by a mob! For them, I have no sympathy, nor do I care about their issue when they push it they way they do......
I do not give a flying turd which one is chosen as long as everybody has a voice and it is not decided by a mob! For them, I have no sympathy, nor do I care about their issue when they push it they way they do......
