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As someone who still considers himself a social liberal

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Clay hit the nail on the head here and echoed my thoughts of why, for the first time in my life, I am voting Republican. I also voted for Johnson last election, being disenfranchised with how far the party swung into identity politics, a "us vs. them" mentality instead of "we".

One spot where Clay doesn't go straight into it, but the Charlottesville incident is what started my turn. The media blatantly lying and saying trump called the white supremacists "good people", which I believed at first, until I watched the whole clip, started me on a path of doubt about the media. COVID only amplified my distrust in both the media and the Democratic party. The blatant lies, that are so easily debunked, on top of looking down upon Americans as if we are petulant children that need to be told how to live, lost me. To me, this is a choice between liberty and freedom or an overbearing government that will continue to use COVID and any other crisis to strip us of our freedoms because they know better than me, how I should live my life. The party that once pushed total and unilateral freedom has now become the party of socialism and control.

Anyway, y'all shouldn't give two shits what I think, but I felt the need to vent a bit in a place where the fear of being canceled for my opinions and thoughts would be mostly mitigated.

Here's the article for anyone to read:

 
Clay hit the nail on the head here and echoed my thoughts of why, for the first time in my life, I am voting Republican. I also voted for Johnson last election, being disenfranchised with how far the party swung into identity politics, a "us vs. them" mentality instead of "we".

One spot where Clay doesn't go straight into it, but the Charlottesville incident is what started my turn. The media blatantly lying and saying trump called the white supremacists "good people", which I believed at first, until I watched the whole clip, started me on a path of doubt about the media. COVID only amplified my distrust in both the media and the Democratic party. The blatant lies, that are so easily debunked, on top of looking down upon Americans as if we are petulant children that need to be told how to live, lost me. To me, this is a choice between liberty and freedom or an overbearing government that will continue to use COVID and any other crisis to strip us of our freedoms because they know better than me, how I should live my life. The party that once pushed total and unilateral freedom has now become the party of socialism and control.

Anyway, y'all shouldn't give two shits what I think, but I felt the need to vent a bit in a place where the fear of being canceled for my opinions and thoughts would be mostly mitigated.

Here's the article for anyone to read:

You are correct, schmak..........socialism is not about freedom and liberties. Quite the opposite.
 
Clay hit the nail on the head here and echoed my thoughts of why, for the first time in my life, I am voting Republican. I also voted for Johnson last election, being disenfranchised with how far the party swung into identity politics, a "us vs. them" mentality instead of "we".

One spot where Clay doesn't go straight into it, but the Charlottesville incident is what started my turn. The media blatantly lying and saying trump called the white supremacists "good people", which I believed at first, until I watched the whole clip, started me on a path of doubt about the media. COVID only amplified my distrust in both the media and the Democratic party. The blatant lies, that are so easily debunked, on top of looking down upon Americans as if we are petulant children that need to be told how to live, lost me. To me, this is a choice between liberty and freedom or an overbearing government that will continue to use COVID and any other crisis to strip us of our freedoms because they know better than me, how I should live my life. The party that once pushed total and unilateral freedom has now become the party of socialism and control.

Anyway, y'all shouldn't give two shits what I think, but I felt the need to vent a bit in a place where the fear of being canceled for my opinions and thoughts would be mostly mitigated.

Here's the article for anyone to read:


I just appreciate the direct, but measured tone vs a lot of what we get on here.
 
we need a rebirth of Classical Liberalism and a cleaner separation between media and politicians.

the Fourth Estate has failed us miserably over the last few decades.
 
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Clay hit the nail on the head here and echoed my thoughts of why, for the first time in my life, I am voting Republican. I also voted for Johnson last election, being disenfranchised with how far the party swung into identity politics, a "us vs. them" mentality instead of "we".

One spot where Clay doesn't go straight into it, but the Charlottesville incident is what started my turn. The media blatantly lying and saying trump called the white supremacists "good people", which I believed at first, until I watched the whole clip, started me on a path of doubt about the media. COVID only amplified my distrust in both the media and the Democratic party. The blatant lies, that are so easily debunked, on top of looking down upon Americans as if we are petulant children that need to be told how to live, lost me. To me, this is a choice between liberty and freedom or an overbearing government that will continue to use COVID and any other crisis to strip us of our freedoms because they know better than me, how I should live my life. The party that once pushed total and unilateral freedom has now become the party of socialism and control.

Anyway, y'all shouldn't give two shits what I think, but I felt the need to vent a bit in a place where the fear of being canceled for my opinions and thoughts would be mostly mitigated.

Here's the article for anyone to read:

I've voted about equally between Democrats and Republicans over my lifetime. Now, it is straight R. As John Connally said about 50 years ago: "I didn't leave my party, my party left me."
 
I too would be up liberalism except they keep drudging up complete dumbasses like Gary Johnson. Doubt that guy could spell his name. As a big Reagan fan was not for Bush in 88 but rather Perot.

Just because they are for liberalism doesn't mean they have to be stoned out of their gourds
 
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The parties should be close to center (shared direction of country) Center right or left at least they could agree on the goal, just maybe not on the directions to get there. Trump isn't far off of Reagan in policy, Military, tax cuts it's very close. Personalities are opposites of course but just on policy they are close. Can you honestly say the democrat path today is in line with Clinton? Biden at one point was but he has a lot of people around him influencing him that are not. A re-birth of traditional liberalism as mentioned above is what is needed not just for their party but for the country. To do that though is suffering a massive loss to where the direction of party is re-considered and with their past losses they keep going left and that is the biggest issue.
 
The parties should be close to center (shared direction of country) Center right or left at least they could agree on the goal, just maybe not on the directions to get there. Trump isn't far off of Reagan in policy, Military, tax cuts it's very close. Personalities are opposites of course but just on policy they are close. Can you honestly say the democrat path today is in line with Clinton? Biden at one point was but he has a lot of people around him influencing him that are not. A re-birth of traditional liberalism as mentioned above is what is needed not just for their party but for the country. To do that though is suffering a massive loss to where the direction of party is re-considered and with their past losses they keep going left and that is the biggest issue.


do you remember Clinton's first 2 yrs? He was pushing for Hillary Care (obamacare predecessor) and other hard left policies until he was soundly beat in the 94 midterms then he shifted back to the center and governed very effectively.

more centrists views would help move the country forward but not too sure libs are backing down. and if there is no room to negotiate, then it is one side vs. the other
 
This is from a Canadian about Trudeau’s anti-free speech comment, but it rings true for the DNC as well. They forgot what the word liberty means. At least they don’t have to change their name, since they do want Mob Rule.



 
do you remember Clinton's first 2 yrs? He was pushing for Hillary Care (obamacare predecessor) and other hard left policies until he was soundly beat in the 94 midterms then he shifted back to the center and governed very effectively.

more centrists views would help move the country forward but not too sure libs are backing down. and if there is no room to negotiate, then it is one side vs. the other
All true, but with a Gingrich run house it was pretty well known universal healthcare was a pipe dream at that point. Clinton did see a thriving economy and pretty well backed off to take credit for it. Opposite of today where the first 3 years of Trump proved what works (and we are currently only -3.6% under where we were when the pandemic hit for GDP which is amazing in itself) and Biden is running to undo it all.
 
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All true, but with a Gingrich run house it was pretty well known universal healthcare was a pipe dream at that point. Clinton did see a thriving economy and pretty well backed off to take credit for it. Opposite of today where the first 3 years of Trump proved what works (and we are currently only -3.6% under where we were when the pandemic hit for GDP which is amazing in itself) and Biden is running to undo it all.
The left can’t talk people into what they want to do when the people have jobs and upward mobility. Trump did the unthinkable thing for our government. He showed it can still easily be done even though we were told it couldn’t be done. Guess he had that magic wand
 
All true, but with a Gingrich run house it was pretty well known universal healthcare was a pipe dream at that point. Clinton did see a thriving economy and pretty well backed off to take credit for it. Opposite of today where the first 3 years of Trump proved what works (and we are currently only -3.6% under where we were when the pandemic hit for GDP which is amazing in itself) and Biden is running to undo it all.
Pretty amazing that someone can get elected by running on "everything that has been working and improving everyone's situation over the past 4 years..........yeah, I'm going to undo that". And "the American people don't deserve to know what I am going to do". And there are so many fools out there (maybe not as many as ballots submitted) who are spiteful enough to vote for that.
 
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