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The short of it is......
Prior to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, the efficacy of community mask wearing to reduce the spread of respiratory infections was controversial because there were no solid relevant data to support their use. During the pandemic, the scientific evidence has increased. Compelling data now demonstrate that community mask wearing is an effective nonpharmacologic intervention to reduce the spread of this infection, especially as source control to prevent spread from infected persons, but also as protection to reduce wearers’ exposure to infection.

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets exhaled when infected people breathe, talk, cough, sneeze, or sing. Most of these droplets are smaller than 10 μm in diameter, often referred to as aerosols. The amount of small droplets and particles increases with the rate and force of airflow during exhalation (eg, shouting, vigorous exercise). Exposure is greater the closer a person is to the source of exhalations. Larger droplets fall out of the air rapidly, but small droplets and the dried particles formed from them (ie, droplet nuclei) can remain suspended in the air. In circumstances with poor ventilation, typically indoor enclosed spaces where an infected person is present for an extended period, the concentrations of these small droplets and particles can build sufficiently to transmit infection.

Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness.1 In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control. Second, masks protect uninfected wearers. Masks form a barrier to large respiratory droplets that could land on exposed mucous membranes of the eye, nose, and mouth. Masks can also partially filter out small droplets and particles from inhaled air. Multiple layers of fabric and fabrics with higher thread counts improve filtration. However, the observed effectiveness of cloth masks to protect the wearer is lower than their effectiveness for source control,3 and the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
 
I think everyone is too tired to argue this point again. You missed it by this much.

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I both like this article and appreciate the tired nature of everyone regardless of your stance on it.
 
It's an old shitty observational study that doesn't really prove much.

I really hate when people point to crap like this and say "see" as if this is some kind of real controlled study.
 
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The source control explanation is good, and i think is something that our health officials really screwed up (and damaged their credibility perception) in early rollouts of "why we should wear masks".

When i see counter arguments like "everyone should just be able to protect themselves and decide for themselves", that's completely missing the point of Source control and how that's the primary reason for using masks as a public health measure.
 
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This comment here is very important, and also was completely missed/screwed up by public health officials. The lack of acknowledging this important detail has led to the 1000 of counter studies that conclude masks are ineffective....almost NONE of the studies control mask quality or fit, yet they make overarching conclusions on all masks.

the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
 
I'm getting little tired of mask threads. Wear one if you want to, don't if you don't want to. It's your choice. It's also the choice of the venue owner whether or not to require masks. Again, choice.

Because of the source control aspect, your choice could make someone else sick, even though that person took all the precautions possible. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't mandate because of this, but its a point that's completely missed in our public discussions.

Public health measures start blurring lines of personal liberties we allow.

Like smoking in public restaurants. speeding in school zones, etc.


Sorry for agitating anyone, my last post on a tired topic....
 
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I hate wearing masks but will do it when it's required by a business owner. My issue is when will it end. Covid like other airborne diseases will be around forever. I reject constant mask wearing as a new normal. Also, it's absurd to think people should wear them outside in my view.
 
Because of the source control aspect, your choice could make someone else sick, even though that person took all the precautions possible. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't mandate because of this, but its a point that's completely missed in our public discussions.

Public health measures start blurring lines of personal liberties we allow.

Like smoking in public restaurants. speeding in school zones, etc.


Sorry for agitating anyone, my last post on a tired topic....
Even when masks were mandatory I could walk in any Lowe's and see some dipwad without a mask, I just chose another aisle. Someone is always going to go against the norm, live with it or start a confrontation. But I don't understand why some folks insist on "My Choice" but get mad at a store owner or school principal who says "Don't enter without a mask."
 
I do have one compelling reason to wear masks.....I have noticed that most women are more attractive wearing a mask because it covers their ugly mug and eye makeup is sexy and few have ugly eyes. It is almost kinky in a sense and can be a fashion item.....so there's that !!!
 
Everyone has their own approach. Worked with/in N-95 masks for decades and trust them to do what they are designed for (95% reduction of 10+ micron particle size). So aspiration droplets typically stay in mask from you or are contained on outer layer from others.

My approach is to wear an N-95 in crowded, interior spaces (waiting in take-out line, or any line for that matter), in conference rooms, waiting rooms at doctor's office, etc. I don't wear them grocery shopping as I can maintain a decent distance most of the time. I dont wear them at the office unless a visitor spends more than a few minutes in my individual office. I definitely don't wear them outside. I am vaxed and boostered.

My only point is I guess is if masking, go with a proven and tested product over a designer cloth or surgical mask if you can find them. I keep mine in truck and typically use for a week or so before getting a fresh one.

Just my opinion.
 
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I'm getting little tired of mask threads. Wear one if you want to, don't if you don't want to. It's your choice. It's also the choice of the venue owner whether or not to require masks. Again, choice.
Like abortion?
 
The masks they handed out at Ft Mccllean were not these crapy things we wear now. They actually would work.
 
Like abortion?

This is an awesome response. The same people who scream 'my body, my choice' about abortion are the same people forcing mask mandates over another set of people yelling 'my body, my choice' in regards to mask mandates The cognitive dissonance is amazing. There is a startling difference here. One, the mask, could lead to someone being infected and potentially dying because of the infections. The other, abortion, definitely ends a human life.

With that said, another poster mentioned sacrificing personal liberty for the greater good really needs a history lesson on how this all works. It leads to more tyranny not freedom. Go read Niemoller's quote to understand how the encroachment never ends.

 
This comment here is very important, and also was completely missed/screwed up by public health officials. The lack of acknowledging this important detail has led to the 1000 of counter studies that conclude masks are ineffective....almost NONE of the studies control mask quality or fit, yet they make overarching conclusions on all masks.

the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
I saw an official study this morning on the effectiveness of masks. The person that posted the article was celebrating "study proves effectives of masks. Everybody should wear one now". The data showed that masks had a 9% decrease of spreading the virus. 9 freaking % and they are celebrating the use of masks. That is a 91% chance it does nothing.
 
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...Z5sySPLK8fmqCw-Lxkv-tBs#.YTAgfIbjefw.facebook

The short of it is......
Prior to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, the efficacy of community mask wearing to reduce the spread of respiratory infections was controversial because there were no solid relevant data to support their use. During the pandemic, the scientific evidence has increased. Compelling data now demonstrate that community mask wearing is an effective nonpharmacologic intervention to reduce the spread of this infection, especially as source control to prevent spread from infected persons, but also as protection to reduce wearers’ exposure to infection.

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets exhaled when infected people breathe, talk, cough, sneeze, or sing. Most of these droplets are smaller than 10 μm in diameter, often referred to as aerosols. The amount of small droplets and particles increases with the rate and force of airflow during exhalation (eg, shouting, vigorous exercise). Exposure is greater the closer a person is to the source of exhalations. Larger droplets fall out of the air rapidly, but small droplets and the dried particles formed from them (ie, droplet nuclei) can remain suspended in the air. In circumstances with poor ventilation, typically indoor enclosed spaces where an infected person is present for an extended period, the concentrations of these small droplets and particles can build sufficiently to transmit infection.

Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness.1 In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control. Second, masks protect uninfected wearers. Masks form a barrier to large respiratory droplets that could land on exposed mucous membranes of the eye, nose, and mouth. Masks can also partially filter out small droplets and particles from inhaled air. Multiple layers of fabric and fabrics with higher thread counts improve filtration. However, the observed effectiveness of cloth masks to protect the wearer is lower than their effectiveness for source control,3 and the filtration capacity of cloth masks can be highly dependent on design, fit, and materials used. Standards for cloth masks are needed to help consumers select marketed products.
You’re going to have a lot of people with no medical degrees nor ability to obtain one completely disagree with you.
 
This is an awesome response. The same people who scream 'my body, my choice' about abortion are the same people forcing mask mandates over another set of people yelling 'my body, my choice' in regards to mask mandates The cognitive dissonance is amazing. There is a startling difference here. One, the mask, could lead to someone being infected and potentially dying because of the infections. The other, abortion, definitely ends a human life.

With that said, another poster mentioned sacrificing personal liberty for the greater good really needs a history lesson on how this all works. It leads to more tyranny not freedom. Go read Niemoller's quote to understand how the encroachment never ends.

The cognitive dissonance is you not realizing that an infectious disease can end the lives (plural) of the people you infect whereas a pregnancy is not infectious and an abortion occurs prior to viability. Your religion does not dictate when life begins for everyone outside of your religion.
 
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So strange, we have had 55 mask threads on this board and it sure seems like not a single poster has changed their mind....everyone in their same corner. Maybe it's time to call it a draw?

Oh wait, maybe we can have a few pages about abortions now, see if we can change some minds?
 
The cognitive dissonance is you not realizing that an infectious disease can end the lives (plural) of the people you infect whereas a pregnancy is not infectious and an abortion occurs prior to viability. Your religion does not dictate when life begins for everyone outside of your religion.
“… prior to viability. “

I think that is the specific problem most have with abortion. The viability of a fetus in 1968 is much different than today. Probably a poor choice of words on your part.
 
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The cognitive dissonance is you not realizing that an infectious disease can end the lives (plural) of the people you infect whereas a pregnancy is not infectious and an abortion occurs prior to viability. Your religion does not dictate when life begins for everyone outside of your religion.
It's not religion, it's basic biology. Pregnancy is confirmed by doctors with detection of a separate heartbeat, the sign of another life. Viability is actually a really shitty definition because that is not a constant or clear cut definition.
 
The cognitive dissonance is you not realizing that an infectious disease can end the lives (plural) of the people you infect whereas a pregnancy is not infectious and an abortion occurs prior to viability. Your religion does not dictate when life begins for everyone outside of your religion.
This is a pathetic take, even for you.
 
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... My issue is when will it end. Covid like other airborne diseases will be around forever. I reject constant mask wearing as a new normal. Also, it's absurd to think people should wear them outside in my view.
Based on how it is going and reactions to case numbers, I would think we are talking about how many decades we will be doing this.
 
Guys… we have a football game in 3 days. Let’s keep our eye on the ball!
 
“… prior to viability. “

I think that is the specific problem most have with abortion. The viability of a fetus in 1968 is much different than today. Probably a poor choice of words on your part.
Who cares about 1968? It’s not a poor choice of words. It’s exactly right. Take off your religious sunglasses.
 
Yes, because if you don't have a medical degree, you are not allowed to think for yourself.
It’s the value you give yourself over the value of the opinion of those that do hold medical degrees wherein lies the issue with Americans.

Hey remember when smoking was considered healthy without acknowledging today’s doctors aren’t those doctors.

I’ve seen this rational used all too often on AY and by self-appointed smart AYers.
 
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It’s the value you give yourself over the value of the opinion of those that do hold medical degrees wherein lies the issue with Americans.

Hey remember when smoking was considered healthy without acknowledging today’s doctors aren’t those doctors.

I’ve seen this rational used all too often on AY and by self-appointed smart AYers.
This is best way to explain about 50 threads on this.
 
Who cares about 1968? It’s not a poor choice of words. It’s exactly right. Take off your religious sunglasses.
It's exactly wrong and of course you didn't respond to what I said. Biology and everything in our entire culture and customs recognizes a separate life with the heartbeat. They don't say it's just a heartbeat, it's the baby's heartbeat recognizing and establishing it as a separate entity. Take off your political sunglasses and use basic logic.

Do you have kids? Did wait until they were "viable" to acknowledge them as another life? I highly doubt it.
 
It's exactly wrong and of course you didn't respond to what I said. Biology and everything in our entire culture and customs recognizes a separate life with the heartbeat. They don't say it's just a heartbeat, it's the baby's heartbeat recognizing and establishing it as a separate entity. Take off your political sunglasses and use basic logic.

Do you have kids? Did wait until they were "viable" to acknowledge them as another life? I highly doubt

No a heart doesn’t equate to life. who told you that? Do you also love with your heart?

you sound like someone who reflects at wishing wells or makes announcements from balconies.
 
Who cares about 1968? It’s not a poor choice of words. It’s exactly right. Take off your religious sunglasses.
There you go making an assumption about my ‘sunglasses’. Factually, nothing could be further from the truth but I guess you don’t care. My point is that over the years fetuses have been shown to be viable earlier and earlier in the gestation time.

But you want to deflect about religion …
 
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