Are Farm Subsidies Socialism?
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Well, they aren't exactly free market. And regulating how much can or can't be produced for these subsidies isn't either. And I assume we are including the ethanol subsidies as well here.
There is a huge difference between all of this and if there is a bad season and helping the farmer. The small farmer is mostly extinct, most are large conglomerates today.
There is a huge difference between all of this and if there is a bad season and helping the farmer. The small farmer is mostly extinct, most are large conglomerates today.
One of the best programs is the Conservation Reserve Program through the USDA where farmers are paid to not farm their land for 10-15 years. This socialism was brought to you by Ronald Reagan.
Try to take a farmer's CRP acreage away from him/her and you may get shot.
I’ll accept that but wish you’d come up with something other than welfare. Price support ? Maybe. Targeted crop support ? A little wonky but that’s really what it is. It’s definitely not liaise fare capitalism..
By corporate standards, we're a small family run farming operation. As are most the planters in my immediate world. Take away all the epa and usda regulations, tax code BS I have to comply with. We also generate O&G revenue on this land. That's been happening since before me. Copy (epa and usda regulations, tax code BS). Take it away, then, we'll sink or swim on our own. Unless you're personally involved in agriculture . . . likely you simply don't have a single idea what you're talking about
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I have a decent idea of how the Farm Service Agency (formerly ASCS) works and how those services are used.
I know it is super popular to pound your own chest and claim all of the glory for yourself and you can sink or swim all on your own. I don't know you or the inner workings of your farming operation.
In reality, many producers depend upon subsidies/other govt programs/rain & hail insurance to "swim" in the event of severe drought or hail damage or whatever.
You probably don't need or use that type of stuff though since you can do it all on your own. You should teach a class.
"I know it is super popular to pound your own chest and claim all of the glory for yourself and you can sink or swim all on your own."
I don't know how much you know or don't know. We should all be pleased you have a 'decent' idea on some ag services. More people should. You don't have to be a farmer to be involved in agriculture. If you eat food, wear clothes or live in house . . . you're involved in agriculture! I wish I had created that thought, sadly I didn't. I often refer to when visiting with folks like you. But moving ahead, we work hand in hand with the NRCS. You can look it up. They're enormously helpful to us in regard to our timber (EQIP). You can look that up too. Just trying to same myself some time here. Also, we're about to initiate a pollinator program. They'll assist with that program and any land erosion issues we might have. Trust me, we've had some over the yrs. My agent is a personal friend, from long before he went to work for the government. He drinks beer with me on the gallery. Now in regard to your quoted sentence above, I don't claim any 'glory' nor pound my chest. I simply don't know about the 'popularity' to any of your references. Our success speaks for itself. We will 'sink or swim'! I have taught a few classes in the past. When and if I do so again, I'll notify you. You should definitely take it
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